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1 posted on 03/19/2011 8:24:20 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

This is nonsense.


2 posted on 03/19/2011 8:47:12 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Yet the Bible contains numerous examples of carnal believers.

Withoug carnal believers (and all were believers), the human population would cease to exist. I think the Shakers (shaking quakers) legislated themselves out of existence with their celibacy rules.

7 posted on 03/19/2011 9:26:28 AM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

There is too much here to write (all from scripture) that would contradict much of what you said. First, I have full assurance of salvation based on God’s word and his grace.

I’ll bring up two general points:

1. If we are not showing works of salvation, we are fooling ourselves.

Salvation is not by works “lest anyone should boast”. (Ephesians 2:9). However, the next verse says that “We are created in Christ Jesus to do good works.” So, our works are a sign that we have believed God for salvation. 1 John 2:3-4: “Now by this we know that we have come to know God: if we keep his commandments. The one who says “I have come to know God” and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person.”

Jesus says, “If you love me, keep my commands.” How can we go to live eternally with God and not love him?

2. If I get to heaven and I am wrong, God may say, “You made a mistake. You fretted too much about your salvation. You could have lived without walking in obedience.”

If you are wrong and teach others the same . . .what will God say to you? “He who leads any of these little ones into sin . . .”

I would rather err on the side of relying on the grace of God and seeking to walk in obedience to his commands. When I sin, I confess it. 1 John 2:1, “I write these things to you THAT YOU WILL NOT SIN, but IF anybody does sin, we have an advocate, Jesus Christ, the righteous one.” (Emphasis mine).

My prayer is that God will be Lord of your life. God has come down in Christ not just to forgive us, but to transform us into his image.

All glory, honor and praise goes to Him who has won our salvation. He freely gave us his life—he calls us to give him our lives.


8 posted on 03/19/2011 9:27:09 AM PDT by Justice4awe
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

When I read this type of article and the comments I always go to something Jesus said: Matthew 12:33-37. I will quote only verse 35: “The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.” And I know many people believe this is simplistic.


12 posted on 03/19/2011 10:52:08 AM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: topcat54

topcat54,

We’ve got a good discussion over here, might be Ping-list worthy.

God bless you!


24 posted on 03/19/2011 7:05:26 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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The issue of Lordship goes to the very root of biblical Christianity. I firmly believe that Dispensational Antinomianism is spiritually bankrupt. The Lordship issue is vitally related to the very foundation of biblical, historical Christianity.

We might ask, "Just what effect will the true biblical Lordship position have on real Christians?" Here are some:

  1. It will provide and provoke that which will keep us coming to Christ for fresh forgiveness and fresh assurance.
  2. It will kill spiritual pride -- there will be no more so-called "spiritual Christians" as a super-class.
  3. It will exalt Christ to His Throne Rights.
  4. It will prove helpful and hopeful, to saint and sinner alike, to know a Christ who is Lord of all, and to know that as Lord He has power to save and power to sanctify.
  5. It will have a profound effect upon our evangelism. No more of this wicked huckstering off this poor, impotent, pathetic Jesus. No more getting votes for Jesus. It will box sinners up to the power of Christ and the mercy of the One who is able and willing to save all who will come to God by Him.

Behind the Lordship controversy is a warped, twisted, unbiblical theology of Dispensationalism.

Behind the Lordship Controversy by Ernest Reisinger


25 posted on 03/19/2011 7:38:19 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends listen to dispensationalists.")
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Lordship Salvation ... is man’s attempt to reach God...it is demonstrated false doctrine and even doctrines of demons. For we are saved by grace, and not by works... God calls us before the foundation of the world, predestinates us. Lordship Savlation is completely backwards. No true believer is saved by Lordship Salvation, if people are saved, it is in spite of Lordship Salvation, not because of it...


26 posted on 03/19/2011 11:46:00 PM PDT by bibletruth
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