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To: Mr Rogers; Dutchboy88; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
The vast majority of ‘reformed folk’ on these religion threads shout that we are saved by grace thru election, and that God gives life to those he has chosen so they can then believe.

Wrong. ALL "Reformed folk" on these religion threads shout that we are saved by grace thru election, and that God gives life to those he has chosen so they can then believe. That is a key tenant of Reformational theology because it is oh so clearly taught in Scripture, starting in Genesis and all the way through Revelation. We are not making this stuff up.

The majority of reformed folk on these threads identify themselves as “whatever Catholics are not” instead of “Wherever Jesus leads”.

Still wrong. Our doctrinal threads are clear about the distinctions, such as this thread. BTW, the Holy Spirit leads, it's His job. Each member of the Trinity has a role, the Holy Spirit leads. Bible says so.

Stop wallowing in 1500 AD and share the Good News.

This might be foreign to you, based on you posts so far, but doctrine drives practice. A solid understanding of God's sovereignty makes us confident in sharing the Good News. Want proof?

-William Carey, father of the modern missionary movement, a Particular Baptist, went to India. First convert took 7 years, but he rejoiced knowing that God brought him a convert and would bring more.
-The Great Awakening was brought about by the preaching of Calvinists.
-One of your flagship seminaries, The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, was founded by a Calvinist J.P. Boyce and the current President, Al Mohler is, yup, a Calvinist.
-Ever sing Amazing Grace? Look at the words closely, they are Calvinistic in nature.
-R.C. Sproul, a dyed in the wool Presbyterian, has his messages translated into 60 languages, including Farsi, and are beamed all over the world.
-And the Presbyterian Church in America has more missionaries per capita, that the Southern Baptist Convention. In fact, I posted a thread earlier that shows what they are doing right now in Japan. The gentlemen in the thread has been serving in Japan for more than 20 years.

We know that God's elect are out there, that gives us great confidence that His word will go forth.

We believe in proclaiming the Gospel

Glad to hear that. So do we. We believe, as Jesus taught, that all of Scripture is about him. Reformed sermons teach just that.

By the way, your passage from Luke, is not the Gospel. It is a proclamation that He who was promised from the beginning has arrived.

The Gospel is this:

1 Corinthians 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
Great passage. That is what I want exposited at my funeral. Even at my funeral I want the Gospel proclaimed, and not me.
50 posted on 03/12/2011 4:52:41 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Gamecock
Great post, Gamecock.

The closer one gets to Rome's Pelagianism, the more one decries the doctrines of grace.

It never fails.

Me. Me. Me.

52 posted on 03/12/2011 5:03:26 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock; Dutchboy88; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

“ALL “Reformed folk” on these religion threads shout that we are saved by grace thru election, and that God gives life to those he has chosen so they can then believe. That is a key tenant of Reformational theology because it is oh so clearly taught in Scripture, starting in Genesis and all the way through Revelation. We are not making this stuff up.”

Then you will have no trouble citing the verses. Me? Paul wrote, “For by grace you have been saved through faith.” and “Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”

When the jailer asks, “What must I do to be saved?”, Paul doesn’t respond, “Heretic! You can do nothing!” Paul replies, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.”

Indeed, when the Jews ask Jesus, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

And of course, Jesus said, “14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.”

Notice Jesus did not apply “Reformed folk” theology and say, “Whoever I’ve picked from before time will receive life, that he may believe”.

This is not open to debate. Scripture is excruciatingly clear: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

He COULD have said, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever He chose before creation should not perish but have eternal life.” - but he didn’t.

You are so busy attacking Catholicism that you’ve lost sight of the Gospel - the GOOD NEWS: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

From the time of the Fall, man has been presented with a choice. 6The LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.” - Gen 4

If your missionaries preach that God chooses some to give life to that they may believe, then they are anathema.

“8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed...15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”

We are justified thru faith in Jesus. “we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ” - we are saved, not by grace thru election, but by grace thru faith.

There are 218 verses listed here, read them and repent:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4100&t=ESV

Mar 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Not, Whoever was chosen will believe and be baptized and be saved, but whoever was not chosen will be condemned.

The word of Calvin may say that, but God said something different, and you change the word of God at your peril.


55 posted on 03/12/2011 5:38:17 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Gamecock

AMEN!!!!

Hoss


81 posted on 03/13/2011 5:29:28 AM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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