Posted on 03/10/2011 6:49:45 AM PST by T Minus Four
With one striking exception, the LDS Church's leaders and members are, and always have been, flawed people. (No better quality of human is available.) "We have this treasure in earthen vessels," the apostle Paul said, referring to the gospel and its mortal ministers, "that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."
Although we obviously shouldn't be surprised at it, the church's human side is sometimes jarring and, if permitted, can cause disillusionment. It's urgently important, therefore, for our own sake, that we "clothe (our)selves with the bond of charity, as with a mantle, which is the bond of perfectness and peace" (Doctrine and Covenants 88:125). Failure to do so can be spiritually lethal.
"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged," Jesus taught, "and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matthew 7:2). Christians worldwide regularly pray, rather dangerously, that the Lord "forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."
Why is this dangerous? "If ye forgive men their trespasses," the Savior explained, "your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" (Matthew 6:12, 14-15). And nobody is guiltless.
"Use every man after his desert," says Shakespeare's Hamlet, "and who should 'scape whipping?"
"My disciples, in days of old," the Lord says, "sought occasion against one another and forgave not one another in their hearts; and for this evil they were afflicted and sorely chastened" (Doctrine and Covenants 64:8).
In our dispensation, Thomas Marsh became so preoccupied with Joseph Smith's perceived imperfections that he forfeited his apostleship and was excommunicated in 1839. This wasn't because Joseph was perfect. "He has sinned," the Lord flatly declared. (Fortunately, my sins aren't announced in scripture.) But, adds the Lord, "he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin" (Doctrine and Covenants 64:7, 9).
Rebaptized in 1857, Marsh expressed regret for his nearly two decades outside the church. "I got a beam in my eye and thought I could discover a mote in Joseph's eye. … I was … completely darkened."
Contrast his attitude with that of the well-educated Lorenzo Snow, who boarded with the Smiths for a time:
"I can fellowship the President of the Church, (even) if he does not know everything I know. … I saw the … imperfections in (Joseph). … I thanked God that he would put upon a man who had those imperfections the power and authority he placed upon him … for I knew that I myself had weakness(es), and I thought there was a chance for me. … I thanked God that I saw those imperfections."
"I feel like shouting hallelujah, all the time," Joseph's close friend and disciple Brigham Young declared, "when I think that I ever knew Joseph Smith." Significantly, his dying words were "Joseph! Joseph! Joseph!"
Observing others' weaknesses, perhaps with sorrow, is very different from dwelling on them. Charity, the apostle Paul wrote, "rejoiceth not in iniquity." This surely applies to our fellow members, bishops, Relief Society presidents and stake presidents, and to the good but imperfect men who have been and are called to lead the church.
A year after leaving the American presidency, Theodore Roosevelt delivered a speech in Paris, titled "Citizenship in a Republic":
"It is not the critic who counts," he said, "not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat
Is this a joke graphic?
sadly, its real.
I saw that. I wonder who put them there? Is it a secret offering to the Sphinx god Smith?
I worked in Utah for a year and half. They were nice people. The muslims are the ones that I would watch. The Mormons are not likely to go on a killing spree.
I'll bet he did, too!
Anyone with a bunch of kids knows that you can call them by the wrong name at times...
"Oh Maggie... Maggie! MAGGIE!!!!"
"Uh: my name's Megan."
I'd be arguing from silence if I pontificated an opinion.
We simply don't have the data to surmise.
(Although, the current or future) Living Prophet® COULD get a 'revelation' about it.)
One of them appears to be lookinf for artifacts...
Joke words.
But; since you’ve requested it...
again...
-- HymnWIKI
Since MORMONism claims that JS was MURDERED in that jailhouse, and MORMONism teaches that MURDER can ONLY be atoned for by the murderer's OWN blood; it appears that EARTH will have to do the job in this instance.
I guess, since it is a MORMON hymn; they can change whatever they want.
They same thing happens with their ‘scriptures’; too.
For a flying Magic Travler will soon appear over the Temple.
It's name (by revelation) is KIA!!!
We're not afraid OF them, we're afraid FOR them.
The problem with religion is that so many like to turn speculation into doctrine (it MUST be so, therefore it is) and then damn you if you don't believe it.
I really despise religion.
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