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Observing weakness with charity
Mormon Times ^ | 10 March 2011 | Dan Peterson

Posted on 03/10/2011 6:49:45 AM PST by T Minus Four

With one striking exception, the LDS Church's leaders and members are, and always have been, flawed people. (No better quality of human is available.) "We have this treasure in earthen vessels," the apostle Paul said, referring to the gospel and its mortal ministers, "that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."

Although we obviously shouldn't be surprised at it, the church's human side is sometimes jarring and, if permitted, can cause disillusionment. It's urgently important, therefore, for our own sake, that we "clothe (our)selves with the bond of charity, as with a mantle, which is the bond of perfectness and peace" (Doctrine and Covenants 88:125). Failure to do so can be spiritually lethal.

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged," Jesus taught, "and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matthew 7:2). Christians worldwide regularly pray, rather dangerously, that the Lord "forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."

Why is this dangerous? "If ye forgive men their trespasses," the Savior explained, "your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" (Matthew 6:12, 14-15). And nobody is guiltless.

"Use every man after his desert," says Shakespeare's Hamlet, "and who should 'scape whipping?"

"My disciples, in days of old," the Lord says, "sought occasion against one another and forgave not one another in their hearts; and for this evil they were afflicted and sorely chastened" (Doctrine and Covenants 64:8).

In our dispensation, Thomas Marsh became so preoccupied with Joseph Smith's perceived imperfections that he forfeited his apostleship and was excommunicated in 1839. This wasn't because Joseph was perfect. "He has sinned," the Lord flatly declared. (Fortunately, my sins aren't announced in scripture.) But, adds the Lord, "he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin" (Doctrine and Covenants 64:7, 9).

Rebaptized in 1857, Marsh expressed regret for his nearly two decades outside the church. "I got a beam in my eye and thought I could discover a mote in Joseph's eye. … I was … completely darkened."

Contrast his attitude with that of the well-educated Lorenzo Snow, who boarded with the Smiths for a time:

"I can fellowship the President of the Church, (even) if he does not know everything I know. … I saw the … imperfections in (Joseph). … I thanked God that he would put upon a man who had those imperfections the power and authority he placed upon him … for I knew that I myself had weakness(es), and I thought there was a chance for me. … I thanked God that I saw those imperfections."

"I feel like shouting hallelujah, all the time," Joseph's close friend and disciple Brigham Young declared, "when I think that I ever knew Joseph Smith." Significantly, his dying words were "Joseph! Joseph! Joseph!"

Observing others' weaknesses, perhaps with sorrow, is very different from dwelling on them. Charity, the apostle Paul wrote, "rejoiceth not in iniquity." This surely applies to our fellow members, bishops, Relief Society presidents and stake presidents, and to the good but imperfect men who have been and are called to lead the church.

A year after leaving the American presidency, Theodore Roosevelt delivered a speech in Paris, titled "Citizenship in a Republic":

"It is not the critic who counts," he said, "not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat


TOPICS: Apologetics; Other non-Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: blasphemy; christian; lds; mormon
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To: magritte

When you gonna get a dog so HE can fight here?


41 posted on 03/10/2011 10:11:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fourdny2
I don’t appreciate the “tease” just to get someone to read the article.

WE're not teasing!

There ARE 51,998 more just like US; waiting to pound on your front door!


42 posted on 03/10/2011 10:14:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fourdny2
This is an affront to Christians,especially in this time of Lent. ALL of the time! --->
43 posted on 03/10/2011 10:16:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
"With one striking exception, the LDS Church's leaders and members are, and always have been, flawed people."

Let's HEAR it for the ONE!!

44 posted on 03/10/2011 10:21:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
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45 posted on 03/10/2011 10:24:48 AM PST by dragonblustar (To tag or not to tag, that is the question.....)
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To: greyfoxx39
I'm sorry. Here are the words...


1. Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus anointed “that Prophet and Seer”—
Blessed to open the last dispensation;
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

(chorus)
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain;
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


2. Praise to his mem’ry, he died as a martyr,
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins;
Stain Illinois, while the earth lauds his fame.

(chorus)
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain;
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


3. Great is his glory, and endless his Priesthood,
Ever and ever the keys he will hold;
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the Prophets of old.

(chorus)
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain;
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


4. Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man;
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice;
Millions shall know “brother Joseph” again.

(chorus)
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain;
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

46 posted on 03/10/2011 10:28:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

[Jesus was a Mormon!]

I once heard someone say that Jesus was an Alien. This is no less ridiculous.


47 posted on 03/10/2011 10:29:52 AM PST by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 25 lbs in 3 weeks)
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To: Paragon Defender

48 posted on 03/10/2011 10:36:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

49 posted on 03/10/2011 10:38:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mountainlion

Its ok.


52 posted on 03/10/2011 12:06:15 PM PST by svcw (You will never understand Grace until you understand you do not deserve it)
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To: Paragon Defender

How are the Jesus of the Bible and the jesus of the BoM the same?
The Jesus of the Bible is Eternal, the jesus of the BoM is created.
The Jesus of the Bible is Eternal the jesus of the BoM earned his way to some god status, which means he was once not perfect but worked really hard and became perfect.


53 posted on 03/10/2011 12:11:38 PM PST by svcw (You will never understand Grace until you understand you do not deserve it)
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To: Elsie
Jude 1:9

9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Elsie, I have a question.

Why did the archangel Michael want to dispute Satan over the body of Moses?

Was it to prevent Satan from making Moses into an object of worship?

And if that's the case, shouldn't Mormons stop worshiping Joseph Smith?

54 posted on 03/10/2011 12:36:59 PM PST by dragonblustar (To tag or not to tag, that is the question.....)
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To: dragonblustar

Good points. And lds will never stop worshiping JS. They will tell you they do not, its just all those pesky hymns to JS that get in the way of that assertion.


55 posted on 03/10/2011 1:03:11 PM PST by svcw (You will never understand Grace until you understand you do not deserve it)
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To: F15Eagle
As the demons dragged Bring’um Young into Hell, he thought he could cry out to Joe Smith to be saved. Alas, ol’ Joe was below him watching the descent.
56 posted on 03/10/2011 1:12:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: svcw
I know the Mormons are in denial about Joseph Smith worship but they can't deny the countless statues, paintings, death mask, coloring books and one putt-putt golf statue sphinx all dedicated to the Peep Stone Prophet.

That's idol worship, it's creepy and its Mormonism.

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57 posted on 03/10/2011 1:37:36 PM PST by dragonblustar (To tag or not to tag, that is the question.....)
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To: Elsie

Some people just don’t understand brackets I guess.


58 posted on 03/10/2011 2:18:04 PM PST by T Minus Four (Support the SFTSOPWDIABMTTPBTTASIFTF and stop this needless tragedy!)
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To: Elsie
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!

Wait, he "ascended into heaven"? Like Jesus did? I thought he was shot in a jail breakout.

59 posted on 03/10/2011 2:20:41 PM PST by T Minus Four (Support the SFTSOPWDIABMTTPBTTASIFTF and stop this needless tragedy!)
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To: dragonblustar

Notice the little dark-skinned people cowering in his shadow.


60 posted on 03/10/2011 2:22:40 PM PST by T Minus Four (Support the SFTSOPWDIABMTTPBTTASIFTF and stop this needless tragedy!)
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