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Hundreds (600) of Anglicans start move to Catholic church on Ash Wednesday
Winnipeg Free Press ^ | March 9, 2011 | Robert Barr

Posted on 03/09/2011 1:30:07 PM PST by NYer

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To: agere_contra; Dutchboy88
FROM this..
DB Then I suggest you step out of the boat and start walking on the waves

To this..
AC Seriously, first day of Lent and you're paraphrasing Satan? Trying to get others to tempt God? You want me to tell you to go jump in a lake? You believe that Jesus commands us to jump in lakes? You believe that if someone doesn’t jump in a lake on your say-so, they don’t believe in God?

Talk about a lack of understanding! WOW! I know I shouldn't be laughing but I am. Way too funny!! Truly the natural man cannot understand the things of God.
81 posted on 03/09/2011 11:17:01 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Antoninus; CHAMPION
And of those four, two will eventually pull a Jesse Romero and come back to the Catholic faith.

Statistics don't bear that out. Four to one conversion rate. Four RCs become Protestant for every Protestant who becomes RC.

And considering that there are already twice as many Protestants in this country as Roman Catholics, those are pretty impressive numbers.

82 posted on 03/09/2011 11:35:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus

So we are comparing a nonbeliever who doesn’t know any better with a bunch of folks who, according to you, heard a passage today that warns them not to gloat?

I feel sorry for the nonbeliever. I am even more amused with my co-workers.


83 posted on 03/10/2011 3:32:00 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Campion; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; RnMomof7

TWENTY times?!? (No, they don’t have twenty times the membership; maybe 5 times if that.) Twenty times, and we’re all about the money?

The sacrament of confession, BTW, does not involve a fee.

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What that says to me is that the Papists are tight with their money and the PCA gives joyfully, out of gratitude with what has been done for them by Christ.

PCA money supports missions, charities, etc. The PCA has more missionaries per capita than the very mission oriented Southern Baptist Convention.

I guess what I am trying to say a church much smaller that the Catholic church you are referring to is pumping much more money into God’s work. But then again, the Catholic Church does have much larger lawyer bills.


84 posted on 03/10/2011 3:40:47 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Antoninus

Bloke.
Thought I was the only person to use the word.

Talked to the wife last night about this and she said she’ll talk more on this issue when she gets back later


85 posted on 03/10/2011 4:22:53 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Campion
I was shocked to see that the monthly budget for this PCA church was something like twenty times the monthly budget for my bedraggled, old, velveteen bunny Catholic parish.

Oh, a couple of more distinctives. In the PCA individual churches own their building. They finance it themseleves. They pay the power, the mortgage. The individual church pays the teaching elder. Very little money is sent up to the denominational Headquarters and none of it maintains a palace or art collections.

86 posted on 03/10/2011 5:05:29 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Antoninus; Campion; Dr. Eckleburg
And I personally consider a little "competition" in Latin America to be a good thing, ultimately. I

Ever noticed how the Evangelical churches seek 'converts' among christians? The ignore the very scripture they proclaim:

Thus I aspire to proclaim the gospel not where Christ has already been named, so that I do not build on another's foundation, but as it is written: "Those who have never been told of him shall see, and those who have never heard of him shall understand."
Romans 15:20-21

87 posted on 03/10/2011 5:07:55 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Campion
And Antoninus is right -- don't count on keeping all of them. Francis Beckwith, Jesse Romero, Jeff Cavins -- and those are only the reverts I know of because they've written books and do apologetics.
My 2 cousins, myself and my brother left the Roman church for Christ. The 4 of us beats your 3 list.
88 posted on 03/10/2011 6:31:32 AM PST by bkaycee
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To: BenKenobi
"Who put the entire bible together that you use to evangelize?"

Clearly not Rome. The Jews were the custodians of what we call the Old Testament beginning some 1400 years before Jesus was crucified. In these 39 books, most of the foretelling, foundational doctrine was delivered such that we would even recognize Jesus as the One promised. This is why Paul notes the honored place Israel holds.

Paul's work is self-identifying and the balance was commonly used by the end of the first century. Let's see...this puts the entire book available to churches 200-300 years before the words Roman Catholic were even used. Hmm.

89 posted on 03/10/2011 7:15:47 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88; BenKenobi
As another FReeper posted once (and I forget who said it, otherwise I would give them great KUDOS for saying it):

If Rome had truly put together the Bible, there would be no Roman Catholic Church.

They just don't mesh, hence the need for traditions and doctrines of men, and magisterium, blah, blah.

90 posted on 03/10/2011 7:23:27 AM PST by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice
"If Rome had truly put together the Bible, there would be no Roman Catholic Church.

They just don't mesh, hence the need for traditions and doctrines of men, and magisterium, blah, blah."

Now that is a classic statement. How true and appropriate! Thank you for posting it. The two are in such opposition, it is obvious if a person read the one, they would never attend the other.

91 posted on 03/10/2011 7:28:25 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: presently no screen name
"Talk about a lack of understanding! WOW! I know I shouldn't be laughing but I am. Way too funny!! Truly the natural man cannot understand the things of God."

Very good point.

92 posted on 03/10/2011 7:34:00 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Campion
"Twenty times, and we're all about the money?"

If I am not mistaken (I might be), the PCA is a wrongheaded organization nearly as darkened as Rome. But, it was "headquarters" to which I referred. If you need us to post some of the gold-dripping chandeliers, paintings, clothing, jewelry, furnishings of the Vatican, we'll be glad to oblige. Then the problem might be clearer.

93 posted on 03/10/2011 7:38:48 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: BenKenobi
"Well this is why apostolic succession is so important. The Church claims that the priests are the successors to the Apostles in that the authority vested in them has been passed down."

What I am arguing is that there is no such thing as Apostolic succession. Rome manufactured this out of whole cloth. How do we know? Read the Book. It is not there, nor is the priesthood (other than the priesthood of all believers), the sacraments, the adoration of Mary, confession to other men, penance, pergatory or most of the other superstitious rites performed in a misguided attempt to secure the forgiveness which comes from simple faith in Christ, alone.

94 posted on 03/10/2011 7:43:44 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Quix

Thanks Quix for Dr Veith’s video. It did a nice job with many puzzle pieces.


95 posted on 03/10/2011 8:19:46 AM PST by marbren
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To: marbren

Sure.

He certainly knows his topic and has abundant sources in their own words.


96 posted on 03/10/2011 8:28:01 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

The problem is that they did.

They put the entire bible together back in 380. This is historical fact.

They just don’t mesh with protestant understanding because Luther tossed out books that HE didn’t like. So when you ask whether Catholics follow the bible, that’s really the wrong question to ask.

The question is why do sola scripturists use Luther’s Canon?


97 posted on 03/10/2011 3:09:05 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Dutchboy88

“The Jews were the custodians of what we call the Old Testament”

Answer the question. Did the Jews put the bible together? Yes or no?


98 posted on 03/10/2011 3:12:03 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: BenKenobi

Yes, of course it was Jews. Some before Jesus, some after Jesus. Are you under the misconception that Rome wrote it?


99 posted on 03/10/2011 3:28:11 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

“Are you under the misconception that Rome wrote it?”

That was not the question I asked.

I asked specifically who put the bible together. You don’t seem to be understanding exactly what I am asking so I will spell it out.

The bible is a collection of books with many different authors, written at many different times throughout history.

As it is now, OT and NT together, who put all these books in one volume and published it? What was the name of this volume?

You say you are a sola scripturist. That you believe in the bible alone, so these should be simple questions.


100 posted on 03/10/2011 3:47:15 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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