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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
If you reject limited atonement, then total depravity will be rejected by you...

Go back and review the meaning of total depravity. We are all condemned prior to being reborn. None of us are reborn with a regenerated human spirit until we accept faith in Him.

Yes, every man prior to being reborn is totally depraved, requiring a regenerated human spirit, which is only possible by an act of God, not by anything we can do. This is totally consistent with the doctrine of substitutionary unlimited atonement.

135 posted on 03/07/2011 10:31:45 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
None of us are reborn with a regenerated human spirit until we accept faith in Him.

According to Calvin, et al, regeneration precedes faith, which is a gift and a sign of the regeneration. Acceptance of faith or exercise of faith has no meaning with respect to whether or not regeneration occurs since that implies either the possibility of rejection or that the exercise of the faith was somehow instrumental to it, neither of which, according to unconditional election, is possible.
139 posted on 03/07/2011 11:27:13 AM PST by aruanan
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