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To: Ev Reeman

I have come to ignore my Church, more and more, on political or economic issues.

On Faith, I think the Catholic Church is closer to the truth than the rest.

However, the Eastern Orthodox do not embarrass me as much. How many Catholics switch due to the idiocy of the Church’s liberal politics?


3 posted on 03/03/2011 8:19:34 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.

Idiot bishops don’t reflect on the Church as a whole.


4 posted on 03/03/2011 8:36:49 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Kansas58; WPaCon
Actually, Kansas, the problem is that the Vatican has horrible PR.

This is what they actually say:

Vatican to America: ‘Social Justice’ is About Relationships, Not Socialism

Peter Cardinal Turkson, President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, has a message for Catholics in America, particularly those involved in social justice ministry, that could put a damper on the political machinations of the Shadow Party.

The message? “Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.” This clarification may very well be the catalyst to set the Catholic Church in America back on course with authentic Catholic teaching on hot-button issues involving massive government entitlement programs and other forms of overreach. If nothing else, it will almost certainly jump-start the “social justice” debate among Catholics.

It would be useful if we just observed our sense of justice as our ability to fulfill the demands of the relationships in which we stand.

This is in contrast to socialism, he explained, which is an ideology in which private property and private interests are totally placed in the service of government policies. What the Pope proposes in ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ said Cardinal Turkson, is ‘achieving the common good without sacrificing personal, private interests, aspirations and desires.’

Cardinal Turkson said the Council was also surprised that the Pope’s concept of the ‘gift,’ was perceived in some circles as encouraging government welfare handouts. In ‘Caritas in Veritate,’ Pope Benedict described the concept of “gift” as a way to understand God’s love for men and women in his gift of life and his gift of Jesus.

Whether he intended to or not, Cardinal Turkson has now echoed what many conservative Catholics in America have been calling for repeatedly — subsidiarity in economic policy. More importantly, the Cardinal observes the heart of the matter in noting that a ‘handout’ and a ‘gift’ are not at all the same, with the latter being more in keeping with the Gospel message.

One of the key principles of Catholic social thought is known as the principle of subsidiarity. This tenet holds that nothing should be done by a larger and more complex organization which can be done as well by a smaller and simpler organization. In other words, any activity which can be performed by a more decentralized entity should be. This principle is a bulwark of limited government and personal freedom. It conflicts with the passion for centralization and bureaucracy characteristic of the Welfare State.
You may remember that Pope John Paul II worked closely with President Ronald Reagan and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to bring down communism in the Soviet Union and Marxist governments in Latin America. With the worldwide Left now in such kinship with Islam, and with no modern-day Reagan or Thatcher in sight, Pope Benedict XVI certainly has his work cut out for him. If they recognize that America has become polarized, perhaps America’s Catholic bishops will bite the bullet and commit themselves to following in the footsteps of the just-beatified Pope John Paul II…to morally undermine the Left as he morally undermined the Soviet Union
19 posted on 03/03/2011 1:10:23 PM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Kansas58
re:the Eastern Orthodox do not embarrass me as much. How many Catholics switch due to the idiocy of the Church’s liberal politics?

They "switch" because they lost the faith. No different than the liberal Catholics who say they leave the Church "because the church is too dogmatic". A Catholic who leaves the Church to join the Orthodox or the Protestant, and dies separated, will perish to hell for all eternity. This is no game!

I have never had anything to do with these progressivists Catholic bishops, I go to an SSPX Chapel. Other like minded Catholics go to other traditional mass centers like FSSP, ICK, or support "the indult" mass diocene priest and avoid their bishops like the plague. God provides for those who seek.

A Catholic becoming an Eastern Orthodox "because of liberal Catholic bishops", is like jumping from the pan into the fire, LITERALLY! Americans are more easily fooled by the Eastern Orthodox, since they have far better liturgy than the Novus Ordo Mass (which is a joke as commonly seen). This is a big mistake. They are just as dangerous as the Protestants, but even more today, because they APPEAR as an alternative.

Rat poison is 99% nutritious, it's the 1% that will kill you. If it was NOT in every way: sight, smell, taste, the same as good food, no one would eat eat. The more something appears as the real thing, the more dangerous it is.

27 posted on 03/04/2011 7:17:58 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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