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To: T Minus Four
While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible....

What did the Catholic Church teach prior to that?

4 posted on 03/02/2011 11:17:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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I'd have to look it up, but I do know that my mother and father (who grew up on the 19-teens) were taught that "the sinfulness of mankind" (i.e. everyone) was responsible for the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ. The Nicene Creed mentions Pontius Pilate (not Jews) as the controlling legal/political authority, and Lenten preaching always focuses on the transgressions of the human race as the moral/spiritual reason.

I think you'll find plenty of support for that dogma in Roman Catholic theology through the millennia.

16 posted on 03/02/2011 11:30:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.)
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To: Alex Murphy
What did the Catholic Church teach prior to that?

That Jews were Christ killers, and that the currently living Jews are responsible for that supposed sin of their ancestors.

We witness truly epochal changes in the position of the Church.

29 posted on 03/02/2011 11:52:37 AM PST by TopQuark
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60 posted on 03/02/2011 12:46:26 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Alex Murphy
Article says: While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible....

Alex Murphy asked: What did the Catholic Church teach prior to that?

From one who studies Catholicism from ALL antiquity (not just the last 50 years of Vatican II), I say, that was a good observation Alex Murphy. I wonder why they would write that?

As far as the answer, I don't know. Did the church accuse the Jews collectively? I don't know. I don't really care either. However, you can bet a "CHANGE" in the year 1960+- is going to be strange. The Church got it wrong for 1960 years? Anyhow, it's Yahoo, and it's the secular newsmedia, so, this kind of propaganda is to be expected.

Those people that learn the faith from newspapers: "after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, .. turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables".

70 posted on 03/02/2011 1:14:41 PM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Alex Murphy; Quix; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

Nothing by me, but your answer may be found here: The Popes Against the Jews, Part 6:- http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/02/popes-against-jews-part-6-show-so-far.html

An understanding of Luther’s attitude toward the Jews can be seen here: http://tquid.sharpens.org/luther_Jews.htm

Peter did change the Jews with Jesus death in Acts 2, but we are all guilty of killing Christ, as my flesh and our is at enmity against God, and is irreformable (Rm. 8:7) ( if that’s a word). Paul, like Moses (being a type of him), was willing to be damned for their sake, (Ex. 32:32; Rm. 9:3) but also condemned them a whole and said, “wrath is come upon them to the uttermost,” as they harshly resisted the gospel, (1Thes. 2:16) with blindness resulting as a judgment. (Jn. 12:35,36)

But God promised a yet future reversing of the curse, and so all Israel (a remnant that is left) shall be saved, to the glory of God. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/israel-chosenorforgotten.html)


118 posted on 03/02/2011 6:13:00 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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