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To: Quix

Amazing! I wonder if anyone will come up with any legitimate scripture the refutes anything she is saying.


43 posted on 02/28/2011 12:21:11 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Gospel of St. Mark:

20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


46 posted on 02/28/2011 12:35:13 PM PST by Augustinian monk (NAFTA/GATT- How 's that free trade thingy workin out, America?)
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To: CynicalBear; Quix
Amazing! I wonder if anyone will come up with any legitimate scripture the refutes anything she is saying.

That's not important.

Quix just said so (see post #1)....

"I'm not greatly interested in arguing about whether such are authentic, Biblical, accurate etc..........""

47 posted on 02/28/2011 12:35:27 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: CynicalBear

“So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.”( except for Benny Hinn, Mary K. Bacter, Bernada Fernandez, etc)


50 posted on 02/28/2011 12:37:07 PM PST by Augustinian monk (NAFTA/GATT- How 's that free trade thingy workin out, America?)
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To: CynicalBear

I’ve read about half of it and haven’t found anything antiChristian, although one could well argue the sufficiency of Scripture doctrines indicate this might be primae facie deceptive.

If deceptive, then I suspect there may be many segments of an ongoing testimony which are veritable, but given to counterfeit the object of trust away from the Cross to the person giving the testimonials.

Perhaps the more discerning questions ought to be along the lines of, ‘who is being glorified’? the Father?, the Son?, or is this an appeal to avoidance of eternal punishment vice redirecting a believer to the Cross?


52 posted on 02/28/2011 12:41:11 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: CynicalBear
Having read the entire article, there are quite a number of statements that the author says were purportedly made by the Lord Jesus Christ which are totally unbiblical:

Moreover, I do not want 25% Christian nor 95%, but 100%. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN, YOU HAVE TO BE HOLY AS I MYSELF AM HOLY; I came to take you for a journey".

The problem: this statement says in order to get to heaven Christians must be 100% faithful and "Holy as I myself am Holy". This flys in the face of 1 John 1:8-11 (Emphasis added):

If we (i.e., Christians) say that WE have NO SIN, we are DECEIVING OURSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US.

According to God's Word, believers are already sanctified, perfected and holy in the Lord Jesus Christ, not based upon anything which they have done or could do but based upon all that He has done for us:

By this will we HAVE BEEN SANCTIFIED through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL." (Hebrews 10:10, Emphasis added)

For by ONE offering HE HAS PERFECTED FOR ALL TIME THOSE WHO ARE SANCTIFIED. (Hebrews 10:14, Emphasis added)

Our standing as Christians is not dependent upon our holiness, sinlessness or faithfulness. It is totally dependent upon the finished work of Christ and the believer's position IN HIM. The Lord Jesus Christ has cleansed us:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but YOU WERE WASHED, but YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, but YOU WERE JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Then the Lord showed me thousands of people who were SUFFERING IN HELL, and He told me: "You see, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE KNEW ME WHEN THEY WERE ON EARTH.

Biblically, there is a massive problem with the above false statement attributed to the Lord Jesus Christ. This statement says some of those suffering in hell KNEW Jesus when they were on earth (i.e., they were Christians) but ended up in hell anyway! This totally contradicts what Jesus Himself has said in John 10:25-30 (Emphasis mine):

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.

“But you do not believe because you are NOT of MY SHEEP. “MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE AND I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME; AND I GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO THEM, AND THEY SHALL N E V E R PERISH; and NO ONE WILL SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND.

“My Father, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME IS GREATER THAN ALL; AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUR OF THE FATHER'S HAND who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:27-30)

God does not contradict Himself, neither does His Word contradict itself. Therefore this woman's vision is false!

I asked Him: "ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN THIS HELL?", He answered: "Yes, do you know why? They believed in Me but they did not walk according to my Word.

The above statement makes salvation dependent upon works not salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone totally apart from works. Therefore it is TOTALLY UNBIBLICAL and contradicts numerous New Testament passages

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. “He who BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT JUDGED; he who does not believe has been judged already, BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18, Emphasis added)

“He who BELIEVES in the Son HAS ETERNAL LIFE; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36, Emphasis added. Note: Obey is equated with BELIEVING IN THE SON)

Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YOU BELIEVE IN HIM WHOM HE HAS SENT.” (John 6:28-29)

The Lord gave me a robe of fine linen and a crown. I wore the robe and the crown, then the Lord brought me to another place where I saw things like in a mirror. He told me: "There's neither stain nor crease on your robe, isn't it? None will enter through this door nor take place at this table, unless he is clothed like this. Some among my people on earth have dirtied their robes. Others have crumpled robes, and still others have put theirs aside, and have forgotten them. Tell my people that it's time they washed their robes, ironed them and took them back. Christians should ask the Holy Spirit to help them keeping their robes in good state, because the King will soon celebrate the Marriage Supper in His Father's kingdom".

This is a contradictory statement and God does not contradict Himself!: Jesus supposedly gave her a stainless, creaseless robe of fine linen and a crown and then he tells her the only way Christians get in is if they are "clothed like this" (i.e., pure, spotless, flawless) Then Jesus supposedly says that some have dirtied, crumpled or put aside their robes. He then falsely states that believers are to wash, iron and take their robes back. This is ridiculous and totally unscriptural! God Himself cleanses the believer (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), He is the one who washes and cleanses us, not we ourselves. He is the one who gives us robes bright and clean and Revelation 19:7-8 states that these robes are "THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS"

“Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”

It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen IS THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS. (Revelation 19:7-8)

How can believers take back, wash and iron robes which are ALREADY "bright and clean" because they are "the righteous acts of the saints"? They can't, it is impossible! = The statements which she is attributing to Christ are FALSE.

The Lord answered me: "I will save your mother, but I will take her home immediately otherwise she will fall back into sin and go to hell. For this reason, as soon as she is converted, she will die some time later and come here, in paradise". Ridiculous statement. Our salvation is not based upon works. As we have seen in John 10:27-30 when the Lord Jesus Christ saves us, we are saved, NEVER to "perish". *Note, the word "never" found in John 10:28 is a TRIPLE NEGATIVE in the Greek: it could literally read:"not ever, never perish"

As Christians living in the last days we have a responsibility to "test the spirits to see if they are from God" and we are to "search the scriptures" to see if what we are being told is true. If what we are being told does not match up with God's Word 100% we are not to believe it or to follow those who tell us these things no matter how much we may like what they are saying:

Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on VISIONS he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and NOT HOLDING FAST TO THE HEAD (i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ), from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. (Colossians 2:18-19, Emphasis added)

278 posted on 03/02/2011 12:16:34 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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