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Elenin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1

Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) is a long-period comet discovered by Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin on December 10, 2010 at International Scientific Optical Network’s robotic observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico, U.S.A.

C/2010 X1 will come to perihelion (closest approach to the Sun) on 10 September 2011 at a distance of about 0.48 AU. On 16 October 2011, the comet will pass within about 0.23 AU (34,000,000 km; 21,000,000 mi) of the Earth[2] at a relative velocity of 85,000 km/hr.[2] This relatively bright comet can reach 6th magnitude on September-October 2011.

Given the orbital eccentricity of this object, different epochs can generate quite different heliocentric unperturbed two-body best-fit solutions to the aphelion distance (maximum distance) of this object.

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I’ve got to ask, do you realize that we Protestants don’t have a single, unified doctrine

Yes, I realize it and it's a contradiction of Scripture:

1 Cor 1:10

If you’re going to speak to us about the “sins” of our denominations, at least have the intellectual honesty to get our beliefs right.

Go back through my posts. I never mentioned "sins" of other denomimations. I mentioned changing Protestant doctrine in response to an accusation of taking the Living Word way too lightly. Please try to keep the discussion straight in your head.

Do you deny there are Protestant denominations who accept female ordination, homosexual marriage. They don't consider it a sin. Have a look at this chart for example:

	Denomination	Ordains Women	Abortion	Homo- sexuality	Scripture	Trinity	Salvation by Grace
1	American Baptist	1964		2000
2	Anglican	1974
3	Christian Science	1881				Denies	Denies
4	Church of England	1992
5	Church of the Nazarene	1908
6	Disciples of Christ	1888
7	Episcopal Church	1976	1973	1996
8	Evangelical Lutheran Church	1970	1991	2006
9	First Congregational Church	1853
10	Foursquare	1927
11	Free Methodist
12	National Baptist convention	1895
13	Presbyterian Church USA	1930 -elder 1956 - Minister	1973	1987
14	Salvation Army	1865, 1870
15	Unitarian Universalist Association	1863	1973	1980
16	United Church of Canada	1936	1990?	1988
17	United Church of Christ			2005
18	United Presbyterian Church	1955	1973	Against
19	United Methodist Church	1956	1973
20	Universalist Church of America	1863
21	Wesleyan Methodist Church	1856

Thank you so much for sharing that excerpt and the link!

Certainly. It touched me deeply.

LUB

Those visitations and the rest ended with the end of the Apostolic times. There is no such visitation or prophecy now. These visions are most likely the work of the devil and you should not believe this

It is not my perceptions or constructions, this is what the Bible teaches. Perhaps it would be good for you to visit a Church based on scripture?

‘Charismatic Presbyterian’ is taking two opposite words and putting them together to mean nonsense

I gather the truths of Scripture and current bare bones truth of very Biblical events . . . as well as simple word meanings have no part in your theology.

My church is evidently greatly MORE Bible believing and practicing than yours.

And I didn’t realize you were so ignorant about the Charismatic movement.

Walls don’t keep Holy Spirit out when HE decides to reach folks genuinely seeking more of God.

I suggest that you might brace yourself. Your paradigm is going to shift dramatically or . . . it is conceivable yours will be inadequate to finish the race with.

There will come a time when

EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW; EVERY TONGUE CONFESS . . .

However, before that time,

there’s NO way that any demonic satanic forces are going to give

Biblicly congruent PRAISE, WORSHIP AND ADORATION OF JESUS THE CHRIST AS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Even thinking otherwise is utter unmitigated clueless; irrational nonsense of the worst true pharisaical order.

Worshiping an unBiblical dogma, doctrine, construction on reality is as bad, equal to or worse than the idolatries of the Vatican Cult.

Stubbornly clinging to satan’s deceptions about the current operation of Holy Spirit is very spiritually hazardous.

The Holy Spirit, as well as Abba Father and Jesus of Nazareth might disagree with you.

You said, ‘ ‘Charismatic Presbyterian’ is taking two opposite words and putting them together to mean nonsense ‘

Read scriptures. The gift of prophecy was for the early Christians during the apostolic era. The end of the New Testament is the conclusion of such gifts. When the last apostle died, the gifts were no longer needed, so no prophecy, no talking in tongues. The devil uses such tricks to draw Christians away from Christ. Read Revelations 22:18-19, you should not add to the Word of God with false or satanic prophesies.

Walls don't keep the Holy Spirit out, yet you can invite unholy spirits in, which is what this Bernadina is doing. It is ungodly, demonic.

So the Apostolic gifts died with the Apostles? Got a chapter and verse with that view or just extra-Biblical heresy? I can point to the chapter and verse on the gifts of the Spirit, but can you do the same for your view?

Consider your bluff called.

Listen, I realize that this may come as a shock to you, but combining liberal and fundamentalist church denominations like that is going to skew your results and invalidate any conclusion you draw from them.

A better example would be to review those denominations which hold a fundamentalist view of Scripture. It’s no great secret that a group of churches who have turned their back on the idea of the inerrancy of Scripture would have fallen away from those same Scriptures. The same could be said for those Priests who are abusing young boys, we both know that kind of behavior is abhorant and absolutely unacceptable, so why is it no surprise when these same priests compromise on other critical doctrines of Scripture?

And while I would agree that the Scripture you quoted does indeed call for a Unity of Spirit, I also remind you that not every denomination is equally mature. Just as believers have different maturity levels, so do different Churches have different maturity levels. The reason I point that out is because most of the differences in doctrine which are not directly related to a departure from Scriptural inerrancy are related to either a misunderstanding of Scripture or a misapplication of Scripture. That unity which you’re looking for is something that comes with maturity, not by Papist decree.

Furthermore, I mentioned “sins” of Protestant doctrine because to you Roman Catholics, anything that isn’t handed down from your Latin Overlords is, by definition, an error and therefore sin. I’ve already pointed out that I don’t consider it unusual for a church that has abandoned the Scriptures to have equally abandoned following those same Scriptures, so really, what’s your gripe here? I mean, other than the fact that we Protestants have the nerve to say that we answer to God and God alone and not some Roman in a funny looking hat. We all know that, so what is really your point here? That those who have abandoned the faith and went after unChristian doctrines have, *gasp*, abandoned the faith? Color me shocked!

Furthermore, I mentioned “sins” of Protestant doctrine because to you Roman Catholics, anything that isn’t handed down from your Latin Overlords is, by definition, an error and therefore sin.

Now, you're just making things up. I don't think there's much else to discuss.

Having read the entire article, there are quite a number of statements that the author says were purportedly made by the Lord Jesus Christ which are totally unbiblical:

Moreover, I do not want 25% Christian nor 95%, but 100%. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN, YOU HAVE TO BE HOLY AS I MYSELF AM HOLY; I came to take you for a journey".

The problem: this statement says in order to get to heaven Christians must be 100% faithful and "Holy as I myself am Holy". This flys in the face of 1 John 1:8-11 (Emphasis added):

If we (i.e., Christians) say that WE have NO SIN, we are DECEIVING OURSELVES AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that WE HAVE NOT SINNED, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US.

According to God's Word, believers are already sanctified, perfected and holy in the Lord Jesus Christ, not based upon anything which they have done or could do but based upon all that He has done for us:

By this will we HAVE BEEN SANCTIFIED through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL." (Hebrews 10:10, Emphasis added)

For by ONE offering HE HAS PERFECTED FOR ALL TIME THOSE WHO ARE SANCTIFIED. (Hebrews 10:14, Emphasis added)

Our standing as Christians is not dependent upon our holiness, sinlessness or faithfulness. It is totally dependent upon the finished work of Christ and the believer's position IN HIM. The Lord Jesus Christ has cleansed us:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but YOU WERE WASHED, but YOU WERE SANCTIFIED, but YOU WERE JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Then the Lord showed me thousands of people who were SUFFERING IN HELL, and He told me: "You see, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE KNEW ME WHEN THEY WERE ON EARTH.

Biblically, there is a massive problem with the above false statement attributed to the Lord Jesus Christ. This statement says some of those suffering in hell KNEW Jesus when they were on earth (i.e., they were Christians) but ended up in hell anyway! This totally contradicts what Jesus Himself has said in John 10:25-30 (Emphasis mine):

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me.

“But you do not believe because you are NOT of MY SHEEP. “MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE AND I KNOW THEM AND THEY FOLLOW ME; AND I GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO THEM, AND THEY SHALL N E V E R PERISH; and NO ONE WILL SNATCH THEM OUT OF MY HAND.

“My Father, WHO HAS GIVEN THEM TO ME IS GREATER THAN ALL; AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO SNATCH THEM OUR OF THE FATHER'S HAND who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:27-30)

God does not contradict Himself, neither does His Word contradict itself. Therefore this woman's vision is false!

I asked Him: "ARE THERE CHRISTIANS IN THIS HELL?", He answered: "Yes, do you know why? They believed in Me but they did not walk according to my Word.

The above statement makes salvation dependent upon works not salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone totally apart from works. Therefore it is TOTALLY UNBIBLICAL and contradicts numerous New Testament passages

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. “He who BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT JUDGED; he who does not believe has been judged already, BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18, Emphasis added)

“He who BELIEVES in the Son HAS ETERNAL LIFE; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36, Emphasis added. Note: Obey is equated with BELIEVING IN THE SON)

Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YOU BELIEVE IN HIM WHOM HE HAS SENT.” (John 6:28-29)

The Lord gave me a robe of fine linen and a crown. I wore the robe and the crown, then the Lord brought me to another place where I saw things like in a mirror. He told me: "There's neither stain nor crease on your robe, isn't it? None will enter through this door nor take place at this table, unless he is clothed like this. Some among my people on earth have dirtied their robes. Others have crumpled robes, and still others have put theirs aside, and have forgotten them. Tell my people that it's time they washed their robes, ironed them and took them back. Christians should ask the Holy Spirit to help them keeping their robes in good state, because the King will soon celebrate the Marriage Supper in His Father's kingdom".

This is a contradictory statement and God does not contradict Himself!: Jesus supposedly gave her a stainless, creaseless robe of fine linen and a crown and then he tells her the only way Christians get in is if they are "clothed like this" (i.e., pure, spotless, flawless) Then Jesus supposedly says that some have dirtied, crumpled or put aside their robes. He then falsely states that believers are to wash, iron and take their robes back. This is ridiculous and totally unscriptural! God Himself cleanses the believer (1 Corinthians 6:9-11), He is the one who washes and cleanses us, not we ourselves. He is the one who gives us robes bright and clean and Revelation 19:7-8 states that these robes are "THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS"

“Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”

It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen IS THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS. (Revelation 19:7-8)

How can believers take back, wash and iron robes which are ALREADY "bright and clean" because they are "the righteous acts of the saints"? They can't, it is impossible! = The statements which she is attributing to Christ are FALSE.

The Lord answered me: "I will save your mother, but I will take her home immediately otherwise she will fall back into sin and go to hell. For this reason, as soon as she is converted, she will die some time later and come here, in paradise". Ridiculous statement. Our salvation is not based upon works. As we have seen in John 10:27-30 when the Lord Jesus Christ saves us, we are saved, NEVER to "perish". *Note, the word "never" found in John 10:28 is a TRIPLE NEGATIVE in the Greek: it could literally read:"not ever, never perish"

As Christians living in the last days we have a responsibility to "test the spirits to see if they are from God" and we are to "search the scriptures" to see if what we are being told is true. If what we are being told does not match up with God's Word 100% we are not to believe it or to follow those who tell us these things no matter how much we may like what they are saying:

Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on VISIONS he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and NOT HOLDING FAST TO THE HEAD (i.e., the Lord Jesus Christ), from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. (Colossians 2:18-19, Emphasis added)