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To: RobRoy
Let's let the Bible answer that:

James 2: 17-26

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So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
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You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
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Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
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Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
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Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
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See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
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And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
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For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


18 posted on 02/27/2011 8:58:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Yeah, I’m quite familiar with James. It confirms what I was saying. Actually, the very verses you use do.


23 posted on 02/27/2011 9:08:27 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Salvation

But here’s the rub. What is meant by “works”? Certainly not Tithing. That is a Jewish thing. Not going to church. It takes no faith to go to church regularly. Not giving to the poor since many people give to the poor for very selfish reasons. And none of the above necessarily has anything whatsoever to do with faith, yet faith and works are joined at the hip.

Look at the examples in James: Almost killing your son. A prostitute risking her life to help spies. How many Christians do you know that take REAL risks in the name of faith?

I am amazed how often people talk of works without really explaining what works they are talking about.


25 posted on 02/27/2011 9:13:08 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Salvation

>>Let’s let the Bible answer that:<<

So, if I use the scripture you quoted, it looks like you are going with “one”, since the examples given there are one per saint.


26 posted on 02/27/2011 9:14:55 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Salvation; RobRoy
Let's let the correct reading of the Bible answer that:

The book of James was written to a converted Jewish church , not heathens seeking salvation . It tells them how their conversion is seen by the unsaved world . It is not about becoming saved or being saved. It is about the fruit of your salvation. It is about how the world sees their faith.

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may SAY Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

This is an amplification of the teaching of Jesus that we know a tree by the fruit it bears. It is how we know the saved from the unsaved. It does not declare that the man has faith ...but that he SAYS he has faith.

This addresses a hollow profession of faith , not a saving one .Can a hollow profession save him? NO, any more than works can save.This scripture says to the church that this faith is non existent , it is dead.

The bible is clear that it is God that gives the faith and it is God that ordains the works of the saved

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

82 posted on 02/28/2011 7:24:37 AM PST by RnMomof7
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