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To: Natural Law; dangus; Cronos
The Church's unofficial position is that the Theistic Evolution is not in conflict or incompatible with the Bible.

Actually, it's de facto position is that if you don't accept evolution, you can't be Catholic.

The Bible declares THAT God created the universe and everything in it including man, but does not attempt to explain How He accomplished it.

Then why didn't it just say "G-d created the universe" and leave it at that? Don't tell me, I know. "Genesis is based on the earlier Babylonian and Canaanite creation myths which were gradually over the centuries purified of pagan elements." I neglected to mention that Catholics are also required to accept Wellhausen as well as Darwin.

What does your Church teach about the age of the earth, the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs, the geocentric universe, and the location of the pillars that hold up the sky?

What church? I don't have a church, remember? (And thank G-d!)

I do know, however, that contrary to what most chr*stian churches teach, G-d wrote the entirety of the Torah and then dictated it to Moses letter-for-letter. No Enuma elish involved.

I'm pinging dangus and cronos because in other threads they have been expressing surprise that I would attribute the views you describe to any orthodox Catholic outside the liberal Northeast.

30 posted on 02/25/2011 1:29:30 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Lo' teva`aru 'esh bekhol moshevoteykhem beYom HaShabbat.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Actually, it's de facto position is that if you don't accept evolution, you can't be Catholic.

If you are so sure please substantiate that with a citation of the applicable Church doctrine.

I neglected to mention that Catholics are also required to accept Wellhausen as well as Darwin."

Who told you that lie? Can you subnstantiate that with a citation as well?

"I don't have a church, remember?"

That is why I used a lower case "c".

"I do know, however, that contrary to what most chr*stian churches teach, G-d wrote the entirety of the Torah and then dictated it to Moses letter-for-letter."

Looks like you are going to be 0 for 4 in the citation department which pretty much confirms your assertions as not much more than the vainglorious musings of a terribly misinformed person.

31 posted on 02/25/2011 2:31:12 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Natural Law; Cronos

Since ZC is obviously stalking this issue from thread to thread, I’ll repost what I wrote on a previous thread:

1. There’s a very popular school of thought, particularly among left-leaning denominations, that the bible in general is not to be taken literally. In the 70s, this had begun to catch on in the United States even among Catholics. The Vatican has weighed in strongly, and it is popular mostly among only borderline (non-observant) Catholics and those on the left who are heretics for many other reasons as well.

2. There are many young-earth Creationist Catholics,

3. Probably the largest group in the United States are those who read Genesis 1 literally, except for the issue of time periods. Genesis 1 refers to “days” before the earth was set in motion around the sun, so these people simply hold that “day” means simply a period of time, during which God executed Intelligent Design throughout the universe.

4. Finally, there are many who are largely literalists, but regard the first 11 chapters of Genesis as a “special case.” They hold that with most of the bible, what is recorded is revelation: People witnessing the action of God, and recording it, protected from error by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Genesis 11 represents a pre-history, where instead of writing down the absolute and literal truth as they witnessed it, they wrote down creation as they understood it, guided by the Holy Spirit to infuse it with powerful, deep, and true revelations about the human condition.

>> Actually, it’s de facto position is that if you don’t accept evolution, you can’t be Catholic. <<

Statements as irrational as this demonstrate there’s no reason wasting further time writing replies.


32 posted on 02/25/2011 2:41:46 PM PST by dangus
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Natural Law; dangus
ZC Actually, it's de facto position is that if you don't accept evolution, you can't be Catholic.

That is false, ZC -- no more than the Presbyterian position. In Catholic, Presbyterian, Orthodox etc. Churches, the basic position is "you got to accept God created everything, and that the Bible is inerrant, beyond that the lips are shut" -- there is no fixed Catholic, Orthodox Presbyterian or Presbyterian C in America or Lutheran Church Missouri Synod etc. clear statement on this.

Yet you pillory Catholics only -- why?

48 posted on 02/28/2011 1:04:18 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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