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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear; smvoice; Quix
Peter is not the Rock upon which the church is built.

In Matthew 16 Jesus is talking to all of the Apostles. They were all asked the question of who they thought He was. Though Peter was the one who answered for the group Jesus was talking to them all. When Peter said that they believed He was “Christ the Son of the Living God” Jesus replied and said that it was not flesh and blood that had revealed that to Peter but that it was “my Father which is in heaven”. He then says to Peter “and thou art Peter”, acknowledging that He knew who Peter was just as Peter knew who Jesus was. Then Jesus, referring back to “my Father which is in heaven”, says, “upon this rock I will build my church”.

In other places in scripture Jesus is referred to as the “corner stone”, but the rock that the church is build on is the Father.

If you want reference to God as the Rock here are some verses.

Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2 Sam. 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.

Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."

Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."

Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."

1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

1 Pet. 2:8, speaking of Jesus says that he is "A stone of stumbling and a rock (petra) of offense"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed."

Don’t try to tell us that Peter replaced God Himself as the Rock upon which the church is built.

315 posted on 02/22/2011 8:18:15 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
In all seriousness, why did Christ single out Simon and rename him Peter (rock) if there is absolutely no significance to it?
323 posted on 02/22/2011 8:26:20 PM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: CynicalBear
Lousy attempt to sidetrack the conversation. I give you Ephesians (the Church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets), 1 Timothy (the Church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of truth)and Matthew 16 (the bestowing of the keys to Heaven to Peter) in order to lay out the authority.

You go off into some tirade about the Rock. I will quote my conclusion:

The keys are the final clue. Kings in those times gave the keys to the kingdom to their chief steward who looked after the day to day affairs for them. If the king went on a journey, the steward looked after the kingdom for him until he returned. Thus it is with the Church. They have the God-given authority, as Scripture affirms. The children of the Reformation do not.

And I will reaffirm what Scripture points out. Jesus gave the Church His authority on Earth. The children of the Reformation have none.

536 posted on 02/23/2011 2:40:24 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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