Posted on 02/19/2011 8:54:52 AM PST by NYer
Rest assured, you will live to see that day.
:) Thank you, friend.
Amazing info - I never knew about the shoulder wound. Glad to learn something new today!
Do you mean Ruffin? If Padre Pio did tell someone else, fine, the story has legs.
I have read a lot on Padre Pio.
My objection was to this particular story, claiming that JPII was the source for an otherwise unreported story. I agree with Aremis Webb that JPII is not likely to have revealed something told him in confidence.
If someone else claims to have heard this from Padre Pio, then one needs to check that person’s credibility. The fact that there’s a remote source in Bernard of Clairvaux triggers skepticism in a hagiologist.
Michael Freze has an extended interview with Fr. Joseph Martin, OFMCapuchin, one of Padre Pio’s confreres from 1988. Martin explicitly says that Padre Pio never commented on which wound hurt the most. (Freze, They Bore the Wounds of Christ).
My copy of Ruffin is at the office. What does he say about the shoulder wound?
I have seen accounts that attribute it not to carrying the cross but to the scourging. A google search suggests that nearly all hits are variants on this recent Rega story which includes the Bernard of Clairvaux aspect.
Look at the pictures if you have the Ruffin book. It shows the shoulder wound on one of the pictures of the undershirt.
That’s not what Artemis Ward and I are questioning.
I am questioning:
1. that PP said the shoulder wound hurt the most (which Rega breathlessly reports as hitherto unknown)
2. That this hitherto unknown fact was transmitted by JPII who heard it from PP.
That PP had a shoulder wound is not new. But whether it represents a scourging wound (as the sources I’ve seen say) or abrasion from the cross, is disputed. Rega’s JPII story says it’s from the cross. Do you have credible evidence from Ruffin to support that claim? Or is Rega (and behind him, JPII) the only source for this?
If the latter is the case, then it’s suspect because it just oh so neatly matches a Bernard of Clairvaux vision, which is the sort of thing a legend-creator would latch on to to modify the scourging wound into something new and unique and then breathlessly retail.
Finally, one of PP’s close associates (Fr. Joseph Martin) said explicitly that PP never said anything one way or the other about which wound hurt most.
The story is dubious until someone can offer some corroborating evidence. Do you have any? If Ruffin does, fine, I’ll drop my case.
“Both Padre Pio and JPII made decisions, out of humility.”
Humility is a form of Truth.
OK, I finally get what you are saying. I was working on the idea that this article was NOT the first time the shoulder wound was mentioned.
About the hurting...I don’t know.
Probably Padre Pio didn’t say anything. He was very relectant to talk about any of it.
Another amazing fact that some don’t know is that Padre Pio’s wounds started healing — then he died the next day with no trace of the five wounds of Christ. Amazing, huh?
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