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To: verdugo
Yeah, well, when you traddie/quasi-schismatic folks build a university as solidly Catholic as Steubenville -- where everyone on the theology department takes the oath of obedience to the Magisterium, and 1/3 of the student population attends daily Mass, and 20% of the graduates go on to vocations in the priesthood or religious life, and all of the residence halls are single-sex with rigidly strict visitation policies -- you let the rest of us know, okay.

In the meantime, I'll take a university where people speak in tongues over a university where people get drunk and fornicate (which is almost every university, including the so-called Catholic ones) any day.

2 posted on 02/17/2011 7:42:13 AM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
re:1/3 of the student body attends mass

Your standards are quite low, you are down to working on a "grade curve". In the 1950's 80% of Catholics went to mass.

re:20% of the graduates go on to vocations in the priesthood or religious life

More effeminate, feelings oriented, non-Catholic religious is all that can come from charismatism, and more dumb down Catholic laity.

All that you wrote is a ridiculous reason to defend a CRAZY Protestant practice that was always condemned by the Church.

"Why God would allow these "ambiguities" to occur in Vatican II. (and other magisterial documents)?

Considering all that I have said thus far, especially concerning the ulterior motives of the liberal prelates and their virtual hijacking of Vatican II, I think Scripture has an answer as to why God would allow these "ambiguities" to occur. In short, there is an interesting working principle in Scripture. As a punishment for your sin, God will allow you to pursue, and be condemned by, what you sinfully desire. This is what I believe happened at Vatican II. The progressivist bishops and theologians sought for a way to push their heterodox ideas into the Church, so God allowed them to do so, as a witness and judgment against them. He would allow the Council to have its "ambiguities" so that those who would interpret them contrary to nineteen centuries of established Catholic dogma, would lead themselves into sin, and ultimately into God's judgment. Unfortunately, as is always the case, the sheep suffer for what the shepherds do wrong, and as a result, we have all been wandering in the spiritual desert of liberal theology for the past 40 years. (Article from Catholic Family News, Feb 2003, by Robert Sungenis)(1)

(1) In fact, the bad shepherds may be a chastisement for the sins of the sheep. Saint John Eudes, basing his words on Sacred Scripture, says that when God wants to punish his people, he sends them bad priests. See The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations, by Saint John Eudes, Chapter 2, "Qualities of a Holy Priest". (New York: P.J. Kenedy and Sons, 1947).

6 posted on 02/17/2011 8:04:00 AM PST by verdugo
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To: Campion; verdugo
In re: Speaking in Tongues, some questions:

Has anyone ever recorded these episodes and compared the "tongues" to any known language?

In the Bible, is it clear whether the apostles "spoke in tongues," or that their audiences heard their words in their own language?

I guess my real question is "If I hear someone speaking in tongues, and I do not understand, is it because The Holy Ghost has not come to me, or that I lack faith?"

In re, Franciscan University and the Catholic Charismatics: Is this a strictly American movement, or is it international in scope?

Personally, I have always thought that the American church would do well to adopt the rigorous bible studies of some of the Protestants, and the homiletic style of their ministers. More important, the personal religious experience of many of the members is something somewhat lacking among Anerican Catholics. My opinion.

16 posted on 02/17/2011 8:45:03 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (With a friend like Obama, a country needs no enemies.)
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To: Campion

I think Christendom College and Thomas Aquinas College already exist. They are not “traditional” per se, but they are more traditional than Steubenville and produce many vocations.

I think Steubenville is a good Catholic school. One thing I worry about, however, is the growing idea that Steubenville is the same thing as Catholicism as if former is not just a part of the latter but is the exact equivalent of the latter. I keep running into that idea among Steubenville devotees.


26 posted on 02/17/2011 9:11:12 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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