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Ted Haggard's new video: Martha Stewart & Michael Vick got restored -- so why not me?
westword.com ^ | Wed., Feb. 16 2011 | Michael Roberts

Posted on 02/16/2011 3:37:03 PM PST by Gamecock

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1 posted on 02/16/2011 3:37:07 PM PST by Gamecock
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2 posted on 02/16/2011 3:40:16 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Gamecock
Ted Haggard

Who?

3 posted on 02/16/2011 3:41:42 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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**judging not lest ye be judged**

Classic liberal misuse of that passage.


4 posted on 02/16/2011 3:42:05 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Former president of the National Association of Evangelicals and megachurch pastor.

Just before he got caught with a gay prostitute I heard him say he didn’t sin.


5 posted on 02/16/2011 3:44:49 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Gamecock

“The church does not believe in the Bible,” he announces at one point. “We market the Bible.”

Just based on that quote he’s not someone I would want as a pastor even if he didn’t have the rest of the baggage he carries.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 3:46:40 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Gamecock
Classic liberal misuse of that passage.

Yes. Parse the Bible and make it mean anything you want to.

Judgement is central to the Bible. So is true repentance.

**judging not lest ye be judged**

Whittle this statement down to its basest meaning to liberals and others.

What they want is lawlessness, as well as the ability to live morally bankrupt.

Has this man never heard of the "Ten Commandments?".

7 posted on 02/16/2011 3:55:06 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Ted Haggard

Who?

If only.

8 posted on 02/16/2011 4:00:27 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: kalee
“The church does not believe in the Bible,” he announces at one point. “We market the Bible.”

By that quote, he confesses to being a con-man, hypocrite, and narcissistic sociopath. His own mouth condemns him.

9 posted on 02/16/2011 4:04:28 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Gamecock

Holy Writ says, TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS REQUIRED. If he wanted to be PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF EVANGELICALS, he probably should have avoided his trysts with the guys. THAT is why HE isn’t restored. Another 40 years...in the desert. And then he can come out and CRY.


10 posted on 02/16/2011 4:19:29 PM PST by rovenstinez (.)
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To: Gamecock

Ted Haggard’s new video: Martha Stewart & Michael Vick got restored — so why not me?

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Cause you’re white. Cause you’re Christian.

I can think of other reasons - but this will do for a start.


11 posted on 02/16/2011 4:21:53 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Gamecock

Oh look! Another holy roller, not quite so holy. Color me shocked!


12 posted on 02/16/2011 4:37:07 PM PST by wyowolf
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To: Responsibility2nd
Well, Vick hasn't been restored in my mind.



Jesus might forgive him, but I never will.
13 posted on 02/16/2011 4:39:32 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: Gamecock

Ted Haggard & I live in the same city and I know many members of his former church.

I’ve been appalled at the way some of these people have turned their backs on him and his family.

It seems to me that a lot of people turned their backs because Haggard was no longer famous or because associating with him would be embarrassing. To turn away from someone who is lost and clearly in need just seems wrong to me. He obviously has serious, hard-to-solve problems and I’m not sure that even he knows what they are or how to solve them.

That doesn’t give us permission to walk away from someone who needs for and is asking for help, though. The day before his scandal unfolded, he was loved and supported. The day after, most of the people who had supported him turned their backs on him. He didn’t “go bad” in just two days; he simply became a liability to know.

When he says that Martha Stewart & Michael Vick were “restored”, I think he means that they were accepted back into society whereas he has not been.

Christians really shouldn’t treat each other that way.


14 posted on 02/16/2011 4:44:54 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Jesus THE NFL might forgive him, but I never will.
 
(Fixed it.)


15 posted on 02/16/2011 4:53:30 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"...Cause you’re Christian.
I can think of other reasons - but this will do for a start."

Got any evidence to support that statement?

16 posted on 02/16/2011 4:53:56 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Gamecock

Because (A) he’s not pro-abortion and (B) he doesn’t throw touchdown passes.


17 posted on 02/16/2011 4:57:57 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: PAR35

Well, he MUST be a Christian. If we apply liberal doses of leftist logic, we see a low down hypocrite caught in a same sex relationship.

Now if he was a democrat.... He would have been re-elected to Congress.


18 posted on 02/16/2011 5:00:10 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, Ministers of God’s Word are supposed to be held to a higher standard than NFL players, TV hostesses and politicians.


19 posted on 02/16/2011 5:05:32 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: mountainbunny

Well, we are supposed to love one another and nurture and help restore each other. Haggard, however, surely recognizes that he will not be in line to preach, teach, handle large sums of money and other responsibilites that he once did. Some people are respectersof persons, and once a person louses up and are no longer in the “who’s who and what’s what and who’s got what”, they just don’t socialize any more with those who can no longer propel them on their quest to social climb. Maybe Haggard needs to redefine his definition of friends and be a friend to those who are poor and unloved himself and quit contemplating his own bellybutton, if that’s indeed what he’s doing.


20 posted on 02/16/2011 5:20:40 PM PST by Twinkie (Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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