The Pandemic of End-Times Dysfunction (E.D.)

The Gary DeMar Show ^ | Nov 12, 2009 | Joel McDurmon

[topcat54]

Joel McDurmon, hosting today's show for Gary DeMar, exposes End-times Dysfunction (E.D.) for what it is. Joel shares with doomsdayers how they can get relief from their paranoia and troubled souls.

[Quix]

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[Quix]

THANKS THANKS For your kind words.

Right you are.

And all the more concerning given such things as this:

this just in:

Steve Quayle Alert - urgent

From [FREEPER] | 02/18/2011 2:07:45 PM PST new

At the end of this article:

We are on vapor lock. Move all metals to locations away from your primary home bury them, hide them. Move food and necessary self defense weapons to secondary locations now if you have not done so. Have non-EMP dependent mode of transportation available - even a bicycle will get you further faster than just walking.

From this website: Read more articles and alerts here:

http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html

Orchestrated Chaos and the Coming Class Warfare in America: The great disconnect between orchestrated chaos and the coming class warfare is becoming more in your face hourly. America is flat-ass broke, pillaged and plundered by the “shadow ghouls of international banking” and their totalitarian manipulation of every aspect of our lives and futures. Pensions, jobs and hope disappear daily as the American Dream vanishes in the glaring reality of those who still refuse to realize that they have voted continually for the “global slavers” and their “political hacks” whose promises are as empty as they have ever been and who have brought our once great Nation at the end of the line.

Liars and the empty promises of all politicians with very few notable exceptions have placed us at the pinnacle of peril, that makes contemporary language fail to convey meaning, requiring the Secular press to use Biblical terms to try and convey the lateness of the hour.

“The petrified pulpit personalities” have gone into their 4-Monkey Mode of seeing nothing, saying nothing, hearing nothing and failing to warn, admonish or even tell their congregants that we are under divine judgment at the hand of a holy God and need both personal repentance and national repentance to even start back on the road to redemption. The borrower is servant to the lender, and the great awakening in America may finally come when the Chinese and other foreign nations come to claim their commercial rights on all that they hold the mortgages and commercial liens on. more

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/11_Global/110218.alert.Steve.html

[Quix]

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[CynicalBear]

Great post GN

It’s also called the time of Jacobs’s trouble. Jeremiah 30 tells us that he shall “be saved out of it”. It is also where God once again promised not to make an end of Israel. He says “though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee.”

[presently no screen name]

there is nothing in the Bible about any seven year period between the second coming and the start of the millenium ... ...... yeah there is.

GREAT POST, GN!! Thanks.

Hey OKP - that's a lot of what you call nothing. I think a thank you to GiovannaNicoletta is in order for enlightening you. There is nothing more satisfying than to read/learn more KNOWLEDGE from God's Word and GN presented it to you. What a blessing!

[boatbums]

Amen. You pretty much nailed all that I have learned and believed. I have yet to hear any adequate explanation for that final 7 years. Not to mention, the "beast", the "mark of the beast" that forbid buying or selling by anyone without it, the enactment of a seven year peace treaty with Israel, the regathering of the Jewish people from all the corners of the world, the reestablishment of the Jewish state or the desert blossoming like the rose.

I wish people could see that Jesus wanted us to be aware of the times and to be constantly watching so that we do not take his return for granted or think it will never happen. Just like Scripture says, there will be those who mock the ones who look for the appearing of our Savior. 2 Peter 3:3-4 says:

"In the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

But our Lord did not want us to be ignorant about those times and that is why he foretold the events leading up to them and also during those times. We should always be ready and about our Father's business.

[presently no screen name]

It is also where God once again promised not to make an end of Israel. He says “though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will not make a full end of thee.”

That is so easily understood on what GOD says HIS plans on for ISRAEL!

Thanks, CB - that one Scripture alone should put the naysayers thoughts about Israel to rest.

[Quix]

THIS LOOKS LIKE
the reference that ought
to cause
some to apologize for their earlier derisions about such sources and content.

However, I've been around long enough to moderate my expectations of that level of miracle.

This particular Dead Sea Scroll does not per se mention being CAUGHT UP. However, it does mention RESURRECTIONS of the dead. Some would make a lot of such a distinction and some wouldn't.

In any case, this is closer than I'd found before to such an assertion in the scrolls. May those with eyes to see and ears to hear be edified.

NEVERTHELESS, for those interested in THE TRUTH as Holy Deyo wrote about it in post #4 here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2672877/posts?page=4#4

150BC - 70AD Rapture Mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls

"A Newly Discovered Dead Sea Scroll Has Revealed Who Will be Left Behind When the Rapture Comes a Leading Scholar Reports" from the journalist David Augustine. (Jack van Impe Ministries, June 16, 2005)

In this article Dr. William Harold, professor of Canon Law, at the Theological Seminary of Essex, GB wrote:

"Without doubt, this is the most important discovery in the history of Biblical archeology. The scroll, written in Aramaic, the language spoken in the Holy Land during Jesus time on earth, was found in a cave on the shores of the Dead Sea by geologists conducting a survey for the Israeli government."

The scrolls read:

"The Rapture will occur suddenly. And countless thousands will vanish from the earth. Swept up to heaven to live with Jesus and escape the torment of the Tribulation, the others will be left behind." — The Dead Sea Scrolls

Have now found the following doc here:

http://religiousstudies.uncc.edu/people/jtabor/4q521.html

The Jewish Roman World Of Jesus
Dr James D Tabor

Parallels Between A New Dead Sea Scroll Fragment (4Q521)
and the Early New Testament Gospel Tradition

One of the more intriguing of the newly released Dead Sea Scrolls is a fragment now titled "Messianic Apocalypse" (4Q521). This text contains three rather striking features that are of particular significance for comparing the apocalyptic beliefs and expectations of the Qumran community with the emerging early Christian movement. First, the text speaks of a single Messiah figure who will rule heaven and earth. Second, it mentions in the clearest language the expectation of the resurrection of the dead during the time of this Messiah. And third, and perhaps most important for students of the New Testament, it contains an exact verbal parallel with the Gospels of Matthew and Luke for identifying of the signs of the Messiah.

First, a translation of the fragment itself:

[the hea]vens and the earth will listen to His Messiah, and none therein will

stray from the commandments of the holy ones.
Seekers of the Lord, strengthen yourselves in His service!
All you hopeful in (your) heart, will you not find the Lord in this?
For the Lord will consider the pious (hasidim) and call the righteous by name.
Over the poor His spirit will hover and will renew the faithful with His power.
And He will glorify the pious on the throne of the eternal Kingdom.
He who liberates the captives, restores sight to the blind, straightens the b[ent]
And f[or] ever I will cleav[ve to the h]opeful and in His mercy . . .
And the fr[uit . . .] will not be delayed for anyone.
And the Lord will accomplish glorious things which have never been as [He . . .]
For He will heal the wounded, and revive the dead and bring good news

to the poor
. . .He will lead the uprooted and knowledge . . . and smoke (?)
(Michael O. Wise, translation)

The early Christians obviously focused on a single Messiah or Christ, a descendent of king David, whom they identified as Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 8:27-30; Acts 2:36). They clearly saw him as God's cosmic agent, who would return in power and glory to rule heaven and earth (Mark 14:61-62; 13:26-27). They expected that the entire cosmos would come under subjection to him (Phil 2:9-10; 1 Cor 15:24-28)). They remembered him as one who had power over the demonic spirits, over disease and death, and even over the forces of nature. This exalted view of Jesus is well summed up in the Markan version of the disciples' exclamation when he calms a storm on the Sea of Galilee: "Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?" (Mark 4:35-41).

But like those at Qumran, they associated other special figures and groups with the age of the Messiah. John the Baptist was of the Aaronic priesthood and was revered as a returned "Elijah," a sure sign that the End was near (Mark 9:9-13; Malachi 4:5 [Hebrew 3:23]). The Twelve apostles were expected to sit on thrones over the regathered twelve tribes of Israel in the coming Messianic rule (Matthew 19:28). The followers of Jesus, referred to as the "elect" or "saints," were expecting to rule over the Gentile nations and even judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:1-4). In line 11 we have a clear reference to the resurrection of the dead. Why is this so significant? Much ink has been spilled over the past few decades discussing whether or not the people who composed the Scrolls believed in the distinctively Jewish doctrine of the resurrection of the dead. We know that various Jewish groups during the Second Temple period disputed over this doctrine of the afterlife. The first references to the idea of the dead being raised occur only in very late portions of the Hebrew Bible (Daniel 12:1-3). It was a doctrine that was emerging in certain Jewish circles from the 2^nd century BCE down through the 1^st century CE. We see evidence of the dispute reflected in the Apocrypha and in the New Testament (2 Maccabees 12:43-45; 15:11-16; Mark 12:18-27; Acts 23:6-10). Obviously, for the early Christians, faith in the resurrection of Jesus, and indeed, of all humankind at the end of days, was a cardinal doctrine (1 Corinthians 15:12; Acts 24:15).

But what about those at Qumran? Geza Vermes, in earlier editions of his widely circulated book The Dead Sea Scrolls in English, says that the Scrolls never clearly mention the idea, and concludes that "resurrection" played no part in their eschatology (p. 56, 3rd edition). His view is commonly reflected in many standard Qumran studies. Of course, Vermes and other scholars had no access to this text until it was published in Biblical Archaeology Review in 1992. We now have an unambiguous statement that "raising the dead" was one of the key expectations of the Messianic age in this community.

Line 11 of this text also contains another highly striking feature. Indeed, it appears to be the closest and most direct linguistic parallel to a New Testament text that we have yet discovered. The line reads:

For he will heal the wounded, resurrect the dead,
and proclaim glad tiding to the poor.

In both Matthew and Luke we read of a deputation that John the Baptist sends to Jesus while John is imprisoned. John's disciples ask Jesus, "Are you the coming one, or do we look for another?" The story is thus tightly framed around the question of messianic identity: what will the signs of the true Messiah be? Jesus answers:

Go and report to John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, the poor have the glad tiding preached to them (Luke 7:22-23 and Matthew 11:4-5).

This reply is cast in the style of a precise formula. It reflects a very early Christian expectation of the signs of the messianic age and the marks for identification of the Messiah. One indication that we have here a very early Christian tradition is that these passages from Luke and Matthew come from the source scholars have designated as Q, from the German word Quelle, meaning "source." According to most N.T. scholars, Q was a collection of the "Sayings of Jesus," somewhat like the Gospel of Thomas in genre, which was compiled in the middle of the first century, but before our finished Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) were written.

The phrase at the end of line 11, about "proclaiming glad tidings to the poor" is a direct quotation from Isaiah 61:1, which tells of an "anointed one" (i.e., messiah) who will work various signs before the Day of the Lord. This passage is quite important in the Gospel of Luke. In fact, he highlights it as the inauguration of the Messianic mission of Jesus. According to Luke, it is this very verse from Isaiah which Jesus reads and claims to fulfill in his home town synagogue of Nazareth.

However, what is most noteworthy is that Isaiah 61:1 says nothing about this Anointed One raising the dead. Indeed, in the entire Hebrew Bible there is nothing about a messiah figure raising the dead. Yet, when we turn to the Q Source, which Luke and Matthew quote, regarding the "signs of the Messiah," we find the two phrases linked: "the dead are raised up, the poor have the glad tidings preached to them," precisely as we have in our Qumran text. Luke makes more than passing use of this notion of the "resurrection of the dead" as a sign of the age of the Messiah. In the two places he quotes Isaiah 61:1 he also mentions specific cases of resurrection of the dead: as Elijah once raised the son of the widow, Jesus now raises the son of the widow from Nain (Luke 4:26; 7:11-17). This is hardly accidental, as the close juxtaposition of the texts makes clear.

It is also significant that this section of the Q Source is dealing with traditions shared between the community of John the Baptist and that of the early followers of Jesus. The close connections between John the Baptist and the community that produced the Scrolls have been pointed out by many scholars. Through this Dead Sea Scroll fragment, coupled with the early Q Source of the Gospels, we are taken back to a very early common tradition within Palestinian Judaism regarding the "signs of the Messiah." We are in a better position to speak of the common expectations of a variety of interrelated apocalyptic, sectarian, baptist groups which have fled to the "wilderness" to prepare the "Way of the Lord" (Isaiah 40:3; Luke 3:4; 1QS 8,9). They appear to share a specific set of expectations, and they draw in strikingly similar ways, upon a common core of prophetic texts from the Hebrew Bible and related Jewish literature.

Of course, this fragment alone does not settle our attempts to identify the people of the Scrolls�whether they should be labeled as Essenes, Sadducees, Zealots, Pharisees, Nazarenes, Ebionites, or a unique blend of their own amalgamation. However, the text does provide a most direct and significant example of a common messianic hope among the followers of John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Teacher of Righteousness.

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For a fuller and more technical treatment of this text see James Tabor and Michael Wise, "4Q521 'On Resurrection' and the Synoptic Gospel Tradition: A Preliminary Study," in Qumran Questions, edited by James Charlesworth (Sheffield Academic Press, 1995), pp. 161-163.

NO. I will not hold my breath for an apology. People who make ALMIGHTY GOD OUT TO BE A LIAR about HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES to the children of Jacob are not to be expected to be familiar with such graces and Biblical values.

However, there's the citation from the original Dead Sea Scroll by a scholarly source. Their earlier derision is shown for the hollow outrage that it always was.

Yes, the red emphasis was a Quixication.

[topcat54]

THIS LOOKS LIKE the reference that ought to cause some to apologize for their earlier derisions about such sources and content.

Hey quixie, this is the same tripe you posted before.

Again, where is the original source for the “rapture” quote in the DSS? Please point it out to us.

[Quix]

DEAR BROS & SISTERS
I have AN URGEND PERSONAL
PRAYER REQUEST.

My Blood Dad (FDA) in AZ has just had a massive stroke at the back of his brain and has lost his vision and is not expected to live through it all at 87.

He has known Jesus in his life as a teen and insists he is right with God currently and has forgiven everyone. I pray that is true. Those are my two concerns--that he's right with Jesus and has forgiven everyone.

He sounded clear enough on the phone, mostly, and I was able to say "good bye" if it comes to that as seems highly likely. My main concern is his soul, his forgiveness of others. He knows the plan of Salvation. He insists he's right with God. I pray it is true.

That and prayers for my step-siblings et al there managing all this--that God would lead and guide them.

My main grief is never being able to make the quality contact a son hopes for. God knows I did my durn near best over and over again.

I guess that's the size of it and the essence of it.

My mind is a whirl. However, this FR family is more family than most other relationships so I'll likely continue hereon tonight . . . off and on. It's as much comfort to me as a lot of other things would be, or more so.

Thanks for all of you who have cared so much and prayed so much for me over the years. May God multiply the benefits to you 100 times over now and in the life to come.

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

[CynicalBear]

My prayers go up for your father and for you Quix. I empathize as my father just went home last month. If you talk to him again ask if you may pray with him. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you the words. Remember Jesus promised he would send the Holy Spirit to give the words when we needed them and not to worry about what to say before hand.

May the Holy Spirit give you peace.

[hope]

Dear Quix, my prayers are with you and with your father. May the Lords peace be upon you this day and may you rest in the Lord, knowing that you will see your father in that glorius place... Will be praying through the night as the Holy Spirit moves.

[Quix]

Good points.

THx. much.

I’m sure my step-sisters will triple check on that stuff. I asked both of them to. And he affirmed on this call that he was ready.

[TruthConquers]

Ah, dear Quix, May the LORD GOD be with you.

He knows your heart, He knows your name, and He has numbered the hairs of your head and of your dad as well. May He grant you your prayer for wisdom for your step siblings, and that your father is complete in his need to forgive those he needs to forgive.

May the Lord hold your heart in His hands. We are made in His image, and I fully have faith that God knows your grief, and understands your grief, and will strengthen your faith though this trail.

Amen.

[Quix]

THX TONS AND TONS.

GREATLY APPRECIATED.

[Quix]

You touched my heart deeply with your kind words.

THX THX.

[Quix]

i DON’T recall posting this article before:

http://religiousstudies.uncc.edu/people/jtabor/4q521.html

If you have the post # handy, I’d appreciate having it.

[jackv]

God Bless your heart, Quix. I pray that all things work out, that you will know His peace for you and your father's relationship.
We know that when the time comes, all things will be perfect.
Prayers for peace and comfort...AMEN!
**hugs**

[Dr. Eckleburg]

God has graced you with many blessings, Quix. Among them is a chance to speak to your father for what may be the last time. If he told you he was right with the Lord, believe him and rejoice in his acknowledging of the truth.

You will see him again when all pain has ceased and all tears have dried.

In times of distress, our greatest comfort comes from thanking God for all He has given us.

Thank you, God, for our dear brother in Christ, Quix. May his sadness by softened by the knowledge that Christ is with him, as He is with his father, now and always.

[Quix]

THANKS TONS for your kind caring and prayers and exhortations/comforting words.

May God reward you accordingly.