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PHILADELPHIA PRIESTS ACCUSED BY GRAND JURY OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND COVER-UP
New York Times ^ | 2-10-11 | Jon Hurdle

Posted on 02/11/2011 7:11:53 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

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To: armordog99; RocketRoland

Welcome to FR, RR.

What country are you from?

I see no state flag flying there on your homepage.

FWIW, While we’re not perfect, America is far from the most corrupt nation on the planet. If you believe that, you’ve been swallowing too much kool aid.

But your America hating bile isn’t going to fly on FR.


81 posted on 02/12/2011 11:33:24 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: circlecity
"It seems that this practice of molesting boys is the life-blood of the Catholic hierarchy...It’s recruitment activity...How else could they get enough young men who have sworn off women to come into the single-male priesthood???"

And the above isn't a bit harsh?

Like it or not, the world knows the hierarchy of the Catholic Church as Christians. Apparently, not too many people care whether or not someone is guilty because they believe that Christ would permit the only Christian Church the world knew for fifteen hundred plus years to thrive on the molesting of little boys the whole time. They must because the accusation is unworthy of comment.

Now there’s a wonderful testament to the power of the Lord. He can't seem to do anything about the largest Christian Church on earth and hasn't been able to do anything for two thousand plus years. Excuse me, I mean for fifteen hundred years he was incapable of doing anything. Five hundred years ago there was a split that generated thousands of different churches in accordance with Christ praying that His church be as one, and that's what he did about it. I gotcha. Jim Jones, David Koresh, and fifty thousand like him in this country alone, is what He did about it after only fifteen centuries.

It's no wonder that more people are atheist and agnostic these days and many fall away from the Faith. It's not a sign of the looming great escape, it's proof that huge numbers of those who claim to be defending the faith don't even know which spirit is leading them in their efforts. Spreading clearly anti-Christ propaganda is sport to a lot of folks who may or may not even realize what they're doing. There's going to be a forest of folks hoisted on their on petard sometime soon and they won't be able to understand how the Lord could let it happen to them.

Regards

82 posted on 02/12/2011 11:47:44 AM PST by Rashputin (Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
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To: Iscool
Those who want queers leaders in the boyscouts are against queers leading your altar boys in your religion??? I doubt it...

Again, you don't grasp the depth of the depravity going on. Those who want queer leaders in the boyscouts use the disgraceful acts of the homosexual abusers in the priesthood to tar the good priests, bishops and faithful Catholics. They are in an all-out war against them and Alinsky-ite tactics are fully in play here.

Ultimately, they are trying to get bishops, priests and other Church leaders to back down from their very public positions against homosexuality. If they ever do this (God forbid), the media drumbeat of accusations will end. Count on it.

Think about it--there are open homosexual bishops and priests in the Anglican Church. Do you honestly think that sex abuse doesn't go on there? Or is it possible that the media covers up for them because they are "gay friendly"?
83 posted on 02/12/2011 11:52:00 AM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: RocketRoland

Your comment would imply that gay judges would then go easier on gay priests.

Is that what you see happening?


84 posted on 02/12/2011 12:01:42 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sayuncledave

The words of those documents condemn the church behind them and those who uphold that church.

Read the documents. Become informed.


85 posted on 02/12/2011 12:03:08 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
THE BOY SCOUTS have been doing a better job of protecting their boys than the Catholic church has. See? It can be done. What an indictment against the Catholic church.

Not at all. The Scouts have exactly the same problem: Scouting sex abuse cases

Given this, will you now tar and slander every boy scout, scout leader, and the institution as a whole? I won't.

The Boy Scouts of America are under exactly the same pressure as the Catholic Church to be "homosexual friendly". If you have been following the situation in Philadelphia, where the city government is attempting to force them to accept homosexuals, you would know that.

Both the Catholic Church and the Scouts are resisting but both are also huge and made up of fallible men who are subject to weakness, foolishness, and sin. Rather than attacking us, you should be encouraging us to keep up the good fight against the homosexuals in clerical roles and have the awareness to recognize who the true Enemy is in this fight.
86 posted on 02/12/2011 12:05:03 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: Sto Zvirat
The Roman Catholic church destroyed so many lives by rape and by covering up and by accusing victims.

I left the church (and all religions) in disgust years ago. I will trust logic, reason and intellect over the fables and stories of religion.

Sadly, your comment is typical of those who have been shown the error of Rome.

I can only encourage you to return to the Bible and read it. God willing, you'll find the comfort and assurance Rome kept from you.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." -- Matthew 11:28

87 posted on 02/12/2011 12:16:26 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Iscool
It seems that this practice of molesting boys is the life-blood of the Catholic hierarchy...It’s recruitment activity...How else could they get enough young men who have sworn off women to come into the single-male priesthood???

And what is it with ‘altar-boys’...Why does that group exist??? Is that where young boys are groomed and weeded out for their journey into the deeper secrets of the priesthood???

All good questions.

What parent would turn their young sons over to these people? Blindness can be deadly.

88 posted on 02/12/2011 12:18:25 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: boatbums; metmom
Amen to your post.

Yes, vengeance belongs to the Lord. But His saints are called to discern and judge sin from righteousness in this world now.

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" -- 1 Corinthians 6:2

May God forgive those who don't discern lies from truth.

89 posted on 02/12/2011 12:27:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarMema
While pedophilia is rampant in the world today, there is no place on earth where pederasts are protected as much as they are in Rome.

Rome elevates them, applauds them, rewards them.

They're who Rome is.

Priests are "another Christ." An "alter Christus."

We shouldn't be surprised men who believe such outright blasphemy are thoroughly corrupt.

90 posted on 02/12/2011 12:32:39 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus
instead of giving Catholics credit for the work we are doing to get rid of the homosexual molesters among our priests

Credit? The problem only continues to grow.

It's who Rome is.

sucker-punch

lol. Ah, yes. All information not vetted by Rome is a lie.

Wake up, Roman Catholics. Your children are being destroyed, physically, mentally and spiritually.

"DELIVER US FROM EVIL"

91 posted on 02/12/2011 12:36:48 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby
Being childless vs. having a family is a factor in attitudes towards protecting children.

That is very true.

We protect what we possess. That doesn't explain, however, the many Roman Catholic parents who turn a blind eye to this treachery in their own church where their own children are clearly at risk.

92 posted on 02/12/2011 12:44:07 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And yet, we still love all of you no matter how much you hate and despise us, join together with the enemies of all Christians, and help them spread slander about us.

This is the hardest part of Christianity--loving those who tell lies about you--even in movie form.

You know about the kinds of movies that get recognized for Academy Awards. For Heaven's sake, Michael Moore wins them. Again, siding with those who hate ALL of us because they attack Catholics will not save you in the long run.

If you want to know the real truth, read this:


93 posted on 02/12/2011 12:46:27 PM PST by Antoninus (The slogan for the 2012 election: Better a known enemy than a false friend. Say no to Romney.)
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To: marshmallow

This has nothing to do with me (thank God.)

Read the documents. It’s all there.


94 posted on 02/12/2011 12:47:00 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Eva
When I was in high school, in the sixties, the Catholic priest at St. Phillips (Phila. suburbs) molested the acolyte class after getting them drunk on communion wine. I guess the boy who told me about it thought he would shock me. My father was the desk sergeant at the police station and the parents had made a deal with the church to not press charges and the church would put the priest in rehab somewhere out west.

Years later, I confirmed the incident with my mother. It happened.

Thanks for that example of what happens and is happening all across the country.

Wonder where that priest ended up?

A bishop, perhaps.

95 posted on 02/12/2011 12:49:42 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petrosius

yadayadayada

The Vatican’s own words betray your weak defense of the indefensible.


96 posted on 02/12/2011 12:53:39 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus; Eva

~~”You’ll note that these are still accusations, not convictions. Talk to me when the actually convict somebody.”~~

See post 40...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2672486/posts?page=40#40


97 posted on 02/12/2011 12:55:38 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus
And yet, we still love all of you no matter how much you hate and despise us, join together with the enemies of all Christians, and help them spread slander about us.

Calm down. Step away from the keyboard. No one "hates you." No one is "joining with your enemies." No one is "slandering" you, since "slander" implies untruths.

The fact Rome is riddled with pederasts is not conjecture, but fact.

And it has been for centuries.

"Liberals" may have infiltrated your church, but they join the fascists who've always been there in one big scary stew of antiScriptural practices, beliefs and behaviors.

98 posted on 02/12/2011 1:06:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Antoninus
Think about this. We Catholics have been under attack for the scandalous behavior of some of our priests. To our dismay, the purveyors of this information are propaganda rag instruments of Satan like the NY Times and the Boston Globe. Nonetheless, we have made use of this information and are endeavoring to rid the priesthood of these offenders

Well, I am a new Catholic and, since I was raised with a protestant sensibility and I did not experience a childhood filled with reverence for the clergy, I have a few observations:

1) The Church contains all truth, and, as such, is holy and indefectible.

2) There is a longstanding homosexual subculture among the clergy in Western Europe and the United States (at least). The men who belong to, or are sympathetic to, this subculture are not being reached quickly or effectively by the criminal process, and, as long as they remain in place, they continue to protect each other and cause enormous harm.

3) The extirpation of this evil, while to some extent the job of the civil power, is much, much more so the responsibility of the Church.

4) The Church, for reasons which must seem cogent to the men of our time charged with shepherding her forward, is not doing a very good job at exposing these criminals, nor is she presenting a coherent theological accounting of their sins and the consequences thereof.

Defensiveness on the part of Catholics is understandable, in a human sense. Enemies of the Church are wielding the scandals like a club, and the desire to deflect their blows is only natural. But this natural defensiveness is both obstructing the complete removal of what the Holy Father correctly calls "filth" infesting the priesthood, and is relocating responsibility for avoiding further harm onto small children through diocesan "safety" programs, when the only safety program that needs doing is the removal from the priesthood and the episcopate of all sexually active homosexuals who desire relations with young men and boys, the identities of whom are surely known widely throughout the entire institution.

99 posted on 02/12/2011 1:17:36 PM PST by Jim Noble (Reelect Palin 2016)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Dr. E, in spite of working two jobs, having five kids, I am somewhat well read. That includes about the Church. You attempted to misrepresent to me. That, I suppose, is okay, since, in real life, we do not know each other, and you feel no guilt regarding that. Fair enough, that’s on your head, not mine. I have a strong belief I will not deny, nor defy. If you and I never agree or share kind words, I will still never lie to you. That’s on my head, not yours. I believe in Hell as well as Heaven, and I know where I want to be when He judges me.

If the people, religious or not, are involved in what has been charged, and are in fact found guilty, then I share the desire for their punishment. If they’re found innocent, unless mistried, I cannot condemn them. In this country, we all are to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. My comments came solely based upon your words, not the case in process. I will wait for the verdict.

On a slightly different note, dear Dr. E, in my admittedly not-terribly-eloquent way, I am one of those who uphold the Church. Some of the people in it aren’t perfect. But Jesus is. I’m happy with that. Actually, make that filled with joy.


100 posted on 02/12/2011 1:26:06 PM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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