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To: topcat54

I don’t pretend to be so all knowing that I can state as FACT what GOD intended.

All I know is that God punished the Israelites for their idolatry. Yet he gave them the promised land.
God sent his Son to SAVE the Gentiles from their idolatry.

However, Christians are making the same mistakes the Jews made, worshiping the things of the EARTH. Not a golden bull, but just as offensive in Gods eyes. HE alone is to be worshiped.

To believe that Jews will somehow be abandoned by GOD is irrational. HE never has.
Christians are becoming the target of evil from the one third of the world bringing death and destruction.
We can only pray that GOD will show us the same mercy he gave to the Jews.


7 posted on 02/05/2011 2:17:48 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Marty62; sola gracia
To believe that Jews will somehow be abandoned by GOD is irrational.

What is irrational is equating God's intention for Jewish people with the land of Israel. God has not abandoned the Jews. The evidence is all around us since countless numbers of Jewish people have come to accept their Messiah Jesus, and have been grafted into the Root. So it's quite obvious that God has not abandoned the Jews nor ever intended to abandon the Jews.

The sad fact is that many people, including Christian people, can't figure that out and keep insisting that God's plan for Jewish people is somehow tied to the land. God's plan was and is to make them into true children of Abraham, and to have the faith of Abraham, who was looking for a heavenly land.

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. … But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. (Heb. 11:8-10,16)
The old covenant was a means to an end. It was not an end in itself. The sacrificial system, the priesthood, the temple, and all the ceremonies we types to point us to the Salvation of God, Jesus Christ (Luke 24:27). They were never intended by God to go beyond the time of Messiah.
In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8:13)
What does “obsolete” mean? Why would God give us a new covenant if He still had plans for the old? Hebrews gives us the answer. It was all passing away once Messiah appeared. It was no longer needed. Now Jews, as well as gentiles, could come to God via the Messiah without the need for the ceremonies of the old covenant.

Do you see the difference, that God has not abandoned the Jewish people? Just changed focus from the nationalistic/cultic religion of the old covenant to the universal “one new man” of the new? Does it make sense?

10 posted on 02/05/2011 7:25:04 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: Marty62
To believe that Jews will somehow be abandoned by GOD is irrational. HE never has.

I also do not pretend to know everything of what God has intended, from what I know in scripture you are correct God has never abandoned the Jews, but to be a little bit picky on the technicality's of the issue, he has never abandoned the true Jews, but he did abandoned the false Jews. Here is a few scripture from a neat book I got a long time ago, in the book it gives about a dozen classifications of true Israelites and false Israelites, One of them is titled "The Jews" underneath that title is these scriptures to for true and false Jews:

A. Israelites are Jews
   Ezr. 5:1, Jer. 34:8-9, Zec. 8:22,23
B. Disobedient Israelites are not Jews
   Rom 2:28, Rev 2:9, 3:9
C. Christians are Jews
   Rom 2:29

Taken from the book "The Church is Israel Now" by Charles D. Provan

13 posted on 02/05/2011 7:33:10 PM PST by ReformedBeckite ( post 1 of 3 I'm allowing my self each day)
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