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To: topcat54
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You mean the physical piece of wood/stone/whatever that they sat on? Don't know where it is today, and not sure what your point is ... Are you claiming that futurism requires that Christ sit on the same block of wood that David sat on?

The judgment in Matt you refer to is at the of the tribulation, His second coming, after the battle of Armegeddon. There are believers on the earth, there are unbelievers on the earth, the unbelievers are taken away in judgment.

I would think by now you are well aware of the dispensational understanding of Matt 24 +

24 posted on 02/08/2011 10:35:18 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: dartuser
You mean the physical piece of wood/stone/whatever that they sat on? Don't know where it is today, and not sure what your point is ... Are you claiming that futurism requires that Christ sit on the same block of wood that David sat on?

Futurists make much of the notion that Jesus is not currently seated on “the throne of David” because David’s throne is on earth, which I take to mean that “the throne of David” is the actual throne that David himself sat on. Otherwise, if it’s not the actual throne that David himself sat on then it is just a symbol, a representation, a type, if you will. And if it is just a symbol/type, then the throne could very well be in heaven ala Acts 2:30ff where Peter tells us that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is the very evidence Jesus is seated on the throne of David.

The judgment in Matt you refer to is at the of the tribulation, His second coming, after the battle of Armegeddon. There are believers on the earth, there are unbelievers on the earth, the unbelievers are taken away in judgment.

I would think by now you are well aware of the dispensational understanding of Matt 24 +

I’m well acquainted with the dispensational view(s) of Matt. 24 (they are legion), I was more interested in your prior claim from a long time ago, i.e.:

I should have been more clear ... the "taken away into judgment" that is mentioned in Matt 24 is merely death. At the second coming Christ kills all unbelievers. Their final judgment awaits the GWT judgment after the MK. Sorry about that.

You seem to be claiming that there is no judgment of unbelievers at the second coming. That it awaits the judgment after the MK. And so I asked what Matthew 25:31ff was all about, where His coming and judgment are linked. In fact, the judgment in this passage involves both the righteous and the unrighteous, rewards and punishment, given together.

31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: (Matt. 25)
This is clearly final judgment language. And not only that, it is indicating a general judgment, believers and unbelievers, not one of the many, segregated judgments of futurist dispensationalism. Your answer here seems to be contradicting your earlier claim. Is this just a case of the facts as you see them not fitting the text?

BTW, it says here that He will “sit on the throne of His glory.” Which throne is that, dispensationally speaking?

26 posted on 02/08/2011 11:04:26 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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