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Could Extraterrestrial Intelligence Sway religious Beliefs?
Space.com ^ | January 24, 2011 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 01/24/2011 8:55:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: PapaBear3625
I'll stand with Thomas Jefferson on this one.

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.

- THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to Francis Hopkinson, Mar. 13, 1789

61 posted on 01/24/2011 11:30:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Brookhaven
I think that would bring up too many logical inconsistencies with what the Bible says.

The Bible deals ONLY with our earth; and, prescribes nothing related to this question. For Pete's Sake, the Bible was originally directed at people who didn't even know what stars were or that the sun was a star and the earth orbited it. How could the Bible address something like that. Just buecause it didn't address that stuff is no reason to believe non-Biblical stuff doesn't exist or is by default evil.

62 posted on 01/24/2011 11:47:06 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If we ever do have a verified and certain encounter with alien spaceships/persons...it will absolutely rock every known religion to it’s core.


63 posted on 01/24/2011 11:53:38 AM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: GingisK

How did they get “there”, if you’re using the Bible as your authoritative source?

All humans are descended from Adam, through a bottleneck of Noah, then scattered at Babel, resulting in the races you refer to.

So, how did they get from Adam, or Noah, onto other planets?


64 posted on 01/24/2011 12:18:50 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GingisK

Actually, it states that “all of creation” (Rom 8:22) is groaning under the curse of Adam’s sin.

“Our earth” does not constitute “all of creation”.


65 posted on 01/24/2011 12:21:36 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No. “In my house there are many mansions...” Plenty of room for aliens.

It would just mean that the Genesis was more incomprehensibly vast than we could imagine...


66 posted on 01/24/2011 12:35:28 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Crim
"What if the aliens showed up and were looking for the planet where Christ was born...."

CS Lewis posited an almost inverse question. What if a Christian missionary from earth traveled to a world where the occupants hadn't fallen from grace (i.e. their "Eve" had resisted the tempatation in the garden)?

67 posted on 01/24/2011 12:39:56 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Soothesayer

Well said. Very well said.


68 posted on 01/24/2011 12:41:21 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Before there was a universe, God created the angels. He created the angels and the universe, Lucifer was the “anointed cherub,” chief of the angels, Ezek. 28, and as such placed upon planet earth. The earth, not some planet in another solar system or galaxy, was Lucifer’s kingdom - which is why he is called “the prince of this world,” John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11, and 2 Cor. 4:4.

But Lucifer didn’t like being under subjection to God, he wanted to be number one, he became lifted up in pride and God demoted him, Isa. 14, giving him the name Satan, meaning God’s adversary.

Which is why you find him already there in the garden of Eden, he is there because he is the prince of this world, planet earth was his domain, he looked at Adam and Eve, whom God has given planet earth as their’s to rule, as intruders into his domain, and deceives Eve bringing their expulsion from the garden.

Now, there is nothing more lowly than a snake, slithering along on the ground, and that is precisely what God did to Satan, this prideful creature who said, “I will be like the most high, Isa. 14:14. God cursed him.

So we end up with man losing his rulership position of planet earth, cast out of the garden as sinners, but with Satan still in possession of it.

What does all this tell us? That the great drama of the universe is terra-specific, planet earth-specific. Not the Mormon planet Kolob, nor any other planet anywhere else. God has chosen THIS planet in THIS solar system, in THIS galaxy, for the great drama of redemption. It also tells us that it is only the Bible that has the answer to all this ET nonsense.


69 posted on 01/24/2011 12:45:06 PM PST by sasportas
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To: MrB
Agreed they’re nothing to fool with,
but they are not “good people”...

It's a euphemism.

70 posted on 01/24/2011 1:07:54 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayiqach sefer haberit vayiqra' be'ozney ha`am vayo'meru kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!)
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To: MrB
How did they get “there”, if you’re using the Bible as your authoritative source?

The were created by God, but not referenced in the Bible. The Bible serves no purpose when referring to ETs.

All humans are descended from Adam....

All EARTH humans are decended from Adam. The Bible does not tell us ANY of the story about ET races, beasts, planets, etc. The Bible does not serve as any refernce to anything off this planet, except for the notion that the entire Universe was created by God.

71 posted on 01/24/2011 1:16:37 PM PST by GingisK
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To: sasportas
It also tells us that it is only the Bible that has the answer to all this ET nonsense.

It does no seuch thing. The Bible is completely devoid of any such references.

72 posted on 01/24/2011 1:18:31 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

ETs simply make no sense with God’s plan of salvation.

Adam’s sin cursed ALL OF CREATION.
Not really fair for that ET out there, now is it, unless they sinned against God as well?

And then did Jesus have to go and die “once for all” on each of these other planets? (see the graphic above showing an alien “Jesus” dying on crosses on each planet)


73 posted on 01/24/2011 1:22:26 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB
ETs simply make no sense with God’s plan of salvation.

Not in the scope of the Bible, for sure. But the Bible doesn't bring us all of the stories of the Universe, it ONLY brings us the story of this one single planet.

There certainly could be similar dramas played out on billions of worlds, couldn't there? Each of those worlds could have its own Bible, couldn't they?

The Bible does not address the question of ET life, one way or the other. It wasn't necessary for it to do so.

You would have an argument ONLY if the Christ story occured after we developed interstellar travel, and became really fruitful and multiplicative.

74 posted on 01/24/2011 1:27:41 PM PST by GingisK
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To: MrB
And then did Jesus have to go and die “once for all” on each of these other planets?

Why not? He is a pretty tough rascal.

Perhaps God brought salvation to them in other ways. Perhaps they did not fall in the first place.

The Bible brings US our salvation. We're really too small to be concerned about the really big picture ... that big picture is sized about right for God.

75 posted on 01/24/2011 1:30:04 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

You keep missing, or dismissing, the references to “ALL OF CREATION”.

Or do you think this “all of creation” for some reason only means the Earth?


76 posted on 01/24/2011 1:32:15 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB
You keep missing, or dismissing, the references to “ALL OF CREATION”.

You keep missing the fact that "ALL OF CREATION" was meant for people who didn't understand that there was a bigger picture. The original recipients of the Bible had no idea about the Cosmos, and wouldn't have believed it had they been given the details.

Or do you think this “all of creation” for some reason only means the Earth?

Yes, see above.

I believe the Creation story is about the earth, with only inference to the bigger picture. The only reference to the bigger picture was "and God created the heavens and the earth. From that point on, the Bible is about the earthly domain only.

77 posted on 01/24/2011 1:39:22 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

We’ve reached an impasse in belief then.


78 posted on 01/24/2011 1:41:23 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB
We’ve reached an impasse in belief then.

Sure we have. But, consider the following:

The Bible mentions camels, donkeys, doves, snakes, and a few other species. It does not mention zebras, iguanas, or praying mantis. To use your logic, none of the other critters exist simply because they are not mentioned.

That can be extended to the Chinese, because they are not mentioned either.

How about electricity, magnetism, or cosmic rays? They also don't exist in your model. Are earthy biological entities made up of cells, and rely on chemical processes, or is this all nonsense because that wasn't described in the Bible? The Bible didn't describe the biological organisms on this planet; and, you don't they exist elsewhere for the same reason? This seems like truly flawed logic and perhaps psychology.

How do you selectively believe in some things that are not specifically mentioned in the Bible, but not others?

79 posted on 01/24/2011 1:53:12 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK

“It does no seuch thing. The Bible is completely devoid of any such references.”

Your faith is obviously extra-Biblical. You have to go beyond the Bible for your sci-fi kind of faith. Though the Bible is the book of God, apparently it isn’t good enough for you. God is the one who created all these galaxies and planets, yet, per my post, it is planet earth that the Bible tells us God has chosen as his cosmic stage.

Creating a universe is no great thing to God, if he so chooses, he could vaporize this one, and start over with another one. Truth is, all these galaxies, etc. that astronomers see with their latest and greatest technology, are nothing but lifeless gas and rock. Which is there to test people’s faith here on this third rock from the sun.

Which are we going to place our faith in, the Bible or ET’s from other planets? Faith, Gingis Khan, faith, that is what this is all about.


80 posted on 01/24/2011 1:59:37 PM PST by sasportas
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