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Rick Warren Teams up with Swedenborg Cult Follower Dr. Oz
Christian News Wire ^ | Jan. 13, 2011 | Steve McConkey

Posted on 01/21/2011 4:08:13 PM PST by Gamecock

On January 15, Rick Warren will kick-off a 52-week Daniel Plan to become healthier with Dr. Mehmet Oz, a follower of cult leader Emmanuel Swedenborg.

According to Warren's website, his church will host a 52-week course to stress losing weight and becoming healthier. The kick-off event will include Dr. Mehmet Oz, Dr. Daniel Amen, and Dr. Mark Hyman. All three have Eastern spiritual connections.

Dr. Mehmert Oz is a follower of Emmanuel Swedenborg according to The New Church website. He has appeared on the Oprah Winfrey Show and is Professor of Cardiac Surgery at Columbia University.

He is inspired by Emmanuel Swedenborg, a cult leader who died in 1772 in Sweden. Swedenborgianism has up to 50,000 members worldwide according to the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry website. They deny the atonement, the trinity, and the deity of the Holy Spirit.

They believe all religions lead to God and that Christianity must go through a rebirth. Also, they do not believe in a personal devil. They believe the Bible is not inspired and that when people die, they become an angel or an evil spirit.

Emmanuel Swedenborg had a vision in 1745 where he supposedly saw creatures crawling on the walls. He believed God then appeared to him as a man and told him that he would be the person to promote the new teachings to the world.

The other two speakers are Dr. Daniel Amen and Dr. Mark Hyman. Dr. Amen teaches tantric sex, a Hindu mystical approach to sex. He teaches Eastern religion meditation and energy-based Reiki, a New Age practice. Dr. Mark Hyman promotes mystical meditation based on Buddhist principles.

Christian Investigator President Steve McConkey says, "It is troubling for a top pastor in the United States to promote false teachers. We are living at an all-time low spiritually in the United States with weak leaders. We need to teach basic Bible principles without legalism."


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: droz; emmanuelswedenborg; faithandphilosophy; mehmetoz; rickwarren; swedenborg; ybpdln
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To: Frantzie
Sure he's real ~ as real as you want him to be.

You and I could do the same trick ~ and we could do worse than follow the classical Swedenborg model to make it work.

A little song, a little dance, pass the hat, drop your pants ~ you can do it! Something like that anyway. Many others have tried their hand at it and done well if not good!

21 posted on 01/21/2011 4:49:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Gamecock
On January 15, Rick Warren will kick-off a 52-week Daniel Plan to become healthier with Dr. Mehmet Oz, a follower of cult leader Emmanuel Swedenborg.

I saw this, various places. So bizarre. One wonders how many other big box churches and wannabes will follow suit.

22 posted on 01/21/2011 4:50:49 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never hear of Geerhardus Vos.")
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To: Frantzie

I can’t stand “Dr. Oz.” He gives me the creeps.

Has anyone noticed how often he inappropriately touches the females he calls up from the audience?

Eeeuuuuwwww.....


23 posted on 01/21/2011 4:52:21 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: muawiyah

Well if there are Swedish women around then I might be able to drop my pants.

I have been to Sweden - I went, I saw, I drooled.


24 posted on 01/21/2011 4:53:06 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: HerrBlucher
brought him out of his Pantheism to a belief in a personal God.

Which one?

25 posted on 01/21/2011 4:53:58 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: The Theophilus
Basically, they want people to be malnourished either by following Daniel 1 (no meat) or Daniel 10 (fasting)

And not a bit of anything of redemptive-historical significance.

26 posted on 01/21/2011 4:54:39 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never hear of Geerhardus Vos.")
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To: Gamecock
It's a weight loss seminar. If Buddhist principles are useful for weight loss, go ahead and use them.

Then again, looking at a picture of Buddha, how effective could his weight loss principles be?


27 posted on 01/21/2011 4:55:06 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Worst. Post-Racial. And Post-Partisan. Agent Of Hope And Change. EVER.)
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To: Frantzie

Wave the flag ~ of course ~ why didn’t I think of that?


28 posted on 01/21/2011 4:57:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: topcat54

The one that created the universe.


29 posted on 01/21/2011 5:01:27 PM PST by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Gamecock

Roman Catholicism looks better every day. (and I’m not Catholic)


30 posted on 01/21/2011 5:03:00 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: La Enchiladita
Ewww. I dumped TV over a year ago cause the obama worship everywhere. I see this guy on web banner ads or in the drug store on magazines or things. Isn't he an Oprah stooge like that other idiot Dr. Phil?

I see a sexual discrimination suit in Dr. Oz future. It is one of those faux biblical "visions" I just had. Rick Warren is the Ron Popeil or Billy Mays or the sham wow guy of faux christianity. "Buy my book and I will save your soul plus throw in this set of steak knives!"

31 posted on 01/21/2011 5:06:16 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: muawiyah

LOL!


32 posted on 01/21/2011 5:08:31 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
That's Ho Tai (the laughing god) ~ not Buddha!

So, how can you tell the difference? Well, Ho Tai laughs and Buddha looks serious and frequently has his pet dog with him.

Then there are the Foo dogs (actually stylized lions). They come in pairs ~ the female has a cub under a paw, and the other has a ball with a flower of life I believe it's called under his pay.

if you find a setting with a Buddha character, and a couple of lions that look like dogs, that's Buddha. If he's just a seated fat guy having a good time, that's almost always Ho Tai.

More important for you, though, is to learn the difference between Neko Neko and Hello Kitty! (Hint: It's the green sash).

NOTE: the statue we are looking at here looks very much like Ho Tai, but he has that Ball with the Flower of Life under his hand. He could be Buddha ~ giving one of his Foo Dogs a bath (just off stage where you can't see it) ~ hence, it could be Buddha with a Foo Dog's ball!

33 posted on 01/21/2011 5:09:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Gamecock

It is getting harder every day to find a Christian leader who is not being swayed towards the New Age stuff. I don’t know if they truly believe it or if they think it’s the only way they can attract more of a following.


34 posted on 01/21/2011 5:28:36 PM PST by Supertex
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To: muawiyah

“Anyone who ever watched “The Immigrants” with Liv Ullman would quickly realize that friction existed between the state church in Sweden and individuals who had interests in something a bit more freeform (unspoken was the probable use of traditional household gods such as Thor, Odin, Little Red Man, and Herb Woman).”

“The Emigrants” is the 1st of a four book series written by well known Swedish Author Vilhelm Moberg.

The period covered in that volume is the early to mid 1850s, in both Sweden and in Chisago County Minnesota.

The author, Moberg, lived in Minnesota for a time, researching the people. He also lived in Carmel and in Laguna Beach, California before returning to Sweden where he eventually commited suicide.

I read all his English language works; but don’t recall mention of Mormonism, Odin, Thor, Little Red Man, or Herb Woman.

I do recall very powerful writing about the ocean crossing in a wooden vessel, the river and overland trek from New York to Minnesota, and life in Minnesota alongside wild animals, natives and other people, and a harsh environment.

Although small in number, the people of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland and Finland have made a big impact on history—far far from their homelands.

It does not surprize me they did chafe under the bit of a strict state religion.

Doing genealogy is relatiely easy for Sweden due to official records which were kept by the church, for births, baptisms, deaths and Bible proficiency.


35 posted on 01/21/2011 5:30:49 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
Didn't mean to skip ahead 40 years like that (1812 to 1850's) but the point to be made was that the official state religion was still going strong that late, and people remember Liv Ullman even if they don't recall the movie (or certainly not the books), plus, I was necessarily discussing the BEGINNING of major Scandinavian emigration to America, not the latter stages.

Back to the movie, the social points made in that movie are relevant to the whole period from American Independence to probably 1900 (from the Scandinavian point of view).

Now, about residual traditional paganism ~ I'm sure it'd scandalize even modern Swedes to know that NOT EVERYBODY was a Lutheran in the late 1700s and early 1800s, nor did they even share in that particular tradition ~ plus, with the destruction of the Swedish Empire at the end of the Napoleonic Wars (1812), all sorts of Swedish subjects were SENT BACK HOME from all sorts of places where they'd picked up all sorts of unusual beliefs. Lord only knows what the Carpathian Mountain miners picked up (for example).

Then there were the non-Swedish Swedish citizens who'd never really given up the "old ways" ~ emigration was quite high in that group!

Now, to bring this back into line with Rick Warren's sudden gravitation to Swedenborgian vegetablarianism ~ I think that's something new that's been grafted onto the basic structure since the 1850s or so ~ something similar happened with Jehovah's Witness and Seventh Day Adventist in more recent times.

Rick could stand to lose some weight.

36 posted on 01/21/2011 5:56:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Gamecock

Rick Warren is a HUGE PHONY!! And Dr. Oz is just as creepy!


37 posted on 01/21/2011 6:02:30 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Gamecock
"They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers."

Reagan's philosophy works every time it's tried. A lot of conservatives, including Rush (!), would do well to apply this eminently conservative principle to lifelong "battles" with weight. That a pastor would take it upon himself to help his congregation lose weight and become more fit makes me wrinkle my nose.

Here's the deal. It's a fantasy that there are normal, healthy peopel who can "eat anything they want and still not gain weight." It is bullsh*t. Take two identical twins from many generations of thin folks, many of whom it has been said, "He/she can eat all he wants and never get fat!" One marries a wife who feeds him the standard American cuisine high in mostly processed starches and wimpy in the hard protein department; even the cheese is over-processed. As he ages, he gets pudgier and pudgier.

Take the other identical twin -- these are human clones, nature's clones -- and have him eat the way he was brought up. He stays thin, wiry, healthy, and vital. He walks and moves a lot. He can eat prodigious amounts of food and not gain weight.

Their genetics are identical. One starts to get fat, the other stays thin, because of two things: exercise and nutrition. I've witnessed it up close.

Look at crowd footage of New Yorkers and Americans from the turn of the 19-20 centuries. They weren't thin because they went to the gym. They were thin because they didn't ingest a steady flow of carbonated soda instead of water and overprocessed starches and sugars in prepared foods.

Yes, many people have an emotional trained connection to food as a trigger for comfort or praise. Time to get past it and move forward.

Simple. Not easy, but simple.

38 posted on 01/21/2011 6:08:26 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Then again, looking at a picture of Buddha, how effective could his weight loss principles be?

I do believe he's holding a pint of Ben&Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk in his left hand. I could go for that kind of diet! ;o)

39 posted on 01/21/2011 7:39:29 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: HarleyD
"One has to wonder how long before Rick’s “church” will kick him out."

Never. Rick's whole appeal to his congregation is that he doesn't require them to get all bogged down with that "Jesus" stuff and Christianity. It's all about losing weight and being the best purpose driven you one can be.

40 posted on 01/22/2011 3:44:10 AM PST by circlecity
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