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[one Lord one faith one baptism]

did anyone believe in “limited atonement” before Calvin cam along in the 16th century? if yes, i would appreciate someone providing name and citation.
same for the question did any believe in “double predestination” before Calvin?

[mrreaganaut]

Predestination Ping! This has been foreseen and is inexorable!!!

[DannyTN]

"The answer is simple: The "all" are the Christians. "

No. "All" means "All". God doesn't always get what he wants. God's will bumps up against man's free will. God didn't want Adam and Eve to fall. God doesn't want man to ever sin but we do. God wants man to always love each other, but we don't. God doesn't want any man to remain unrepentant, but many will. God wants all men to be saved, but they won't be.

[Natural Law]

Te great fallacy of Predestination is the notion that we are simply carried along in our lives toward a destination regardless of our choices and actions, that our free will isn't free at all. God predestines no one to hell; that requires a willful turning away from God and persistence in it until the end.

We are at the mercy of a merciful God who wishes no one to perish:

The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9

[fso301]

Were we all predestined to post on this thread?

[aruanan]

In part this is because human nature is so completely corrupted by sin that no person is capable of choosing God unless God first regenerates that person.

Assertion, pure and simple, found nowhere in scripture.

[TheDingoAteMyBaby]

Are all Christians predestined to be Calvinists?

[narses]

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[ravenwolf]

I don,t think i want to comment on most of this because i can see at least a little of both sides, and do not understand what the bottem line is.

However you mentioned the people who have never had no chance to hear the Gospel, the Aborigines, the Bushmen, the Eskimos, or the American Indians, who died before the time of Christ.

This will open a can of worms probably but thats what i do the best.

Jesus said that this gospel would be preached to all the world and then the end would come.

How could it be preached to all the world, meaning all people if the people was not in a position to hear it?

The Gospel can be heard in all of the earth today but not many years ago it could not have been.

The Bible speaks of incarnation, could there also be reincarnation? in other words since i did not have a chance to hear the Gospel when i was here the last time, am i getting another chance now?

That is the only way that i can think of that all as in the Arminian position could be saved, and in the the Calvinist position, i don,t know.

well, i am sure many people will say i am bound for hell, but i hope they are wrong.