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To: mporter345
Yes, a little too fast in my opinion, yet what are saints but role models for sainthood. There are many unknown saints (Feast of All Saints!), so the ones we know are those who are heroes of the faith. Like the lady who cared for her husband's murderers. I think JPII was a great model for FAITH, especially for two reasons:
1. The optimism and belief that God could destroy the evil empire in 12 years. Who would have thought in 1979 that communism would be dead in Europe by 1991? Impossible most would have said, in fact the opposite seemed true (remember, it was Jimmah Cahtah in charge). I now live in Poland and I've spoken to people who lived through those times and no one believed in the 70s or even the 80s (until 85) that they would see communism fall in their lifetimes.

2. His speech in Warsaw when he visited in 1979 when he categorically told the people of Poland that the country was dedicated to Christ.

3. For his carrying on in the late 90s and 2000s when it was obvious he was exhausted and to me and I'm sure to many it seemed that this man was being powered just by Christ's love, as his body had given up on him.
11 posted on 01/17/2011 12:33:32 AM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos

Sir/mam

A beatification happens only when the Pontiff is absolutely sure that the person is in heaven. The reason that this step is in place is to initiate the public cult to the person, since we have a law that requires a second miracle.

This gets a little tricky, because even though we have the law, the popes are not bound by Church laws. They make the laws. They are the Law-Givers. So the law is almost Perfunctary. Most of us often wonder why they even bother making laws for popes, when everyone knows that the pope can change them or dispense with them. I believe that they exist more for the sake of information, as a way of telling the rest of us how the pope will proceed in certain situations. But they are not guarrantees that he will do so.

Therefore, there is no guarrantee and nothing to bind a pope to stretch out the study for the canonization of a person.

In this case, there is a miracle. This creates an imperative on the pope. If he (the pope) accepts that this is truly a miracle and he accepts that the miracle was through the intercession of John Paul II, he has a moral duty, not a legal one, to acknowledge it. That’s what’s happening here. There is a miracle and Pope Benedict cannot hide it. It would be unjust to do so. If he proclaims the miracle, then he is de facto beatifying. He is admitting that God has shown his glory through the prayers of John Paul.

The only way to do what you’re saying would be to pretend that the miracle never happened. That would be a lie. You can’t do that.


19 posted on 01/18/2011 9:48:07 AM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Cronos; Pope Pius XII; Pyro7480; mporter345
Those things have nothing to do with the faith. You could beatify Ronald Reagan with those credentials.

Before JPII “brought in the fences to 100 feet”, made the canonization process so easy, and thus could proceed to beatify more people than all the previous popes put together, before that change, there were only two canonized popes in like 600+ years (Pius V & Pius X)!

Compared to Pius V, JPII is a Protestant Martin Luther. Compared to Pius X, JPII is a modernist/progressive and a devastator of the faithful. There is hardly a Catholic left today that lives the faith.

JPII may have not even made it to Purgatory, and if he did, he needs our prayers. and by the way, beatifications are fallible.

To paraphrase St. John Chrysotom: "Most priest are lost and few bishops are saved, not because of what they do, so much as what they fail to do".

JPII is a creation of the media, a media icon, a rock star, just like Obama is today.

21 posted on 01/18/2011 11:49:25 AM PST by verdugo
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