To: aruanan
Calvin did twist The Doctor of Grace’s teaching, but sorry, infant baptism didn’t come from St Augustine, but St Paul.
To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Calvin did twist The Doctor of Graces teaching, but sorry, infant baptism didnt come from St Augustine, but St Paul.
Are you saying that because you know it or remember someone saying it?
Infant baptism is not mentioned by any of the Apostolic Fathers. It came about because of the growth of the idea of original sin as an ontological reality that was transmitted genetically that could be "cleansed" by baptism. Jesus described the relationship between children and sin in a quite different way.
Here are the three verses in the Pauline epistles that mention baptism at all. Where's the infant?
Romans 6:4
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Ephesians 4:5
...one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Colossians 2:12 ...having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
A few from Augustine on the subject of infant baptism:
"If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." --On the Soul, Book III
""Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ."--Epistle 28.
"When children are presented to be given spiritual grace, it is not so much those holding them in their arms who present themalthough, if these people are good Christians, they are included among those who present the childrenas the whole company of saints and faithful Christians.... It is done by the whole of Mother Church which is in the saints, since it is as a whole that she gives birth to each and every one of them."--Epistle 98.
679 posted on
01/18/2011 4:28:48 AM PST by
aruanan
To: one Lord one faith one baptism
infant baptism didnt come from St Augustine, but St Paul.You now have stooped to fabricating a story about God's Holy Scripture...You have no credibility...
702 posted on
01/18/2011 7:36:39 AM PST by
Iscool
(I don't understand all that I know...)
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