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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Religion Moderator
Note, this is what St. Augustine said
"[N]othing could have been devised more likely to instruct and benefit the pious reader of sacred Scripture than that, besides describing praiseworthy characters as examples, and blameworthy characters as warnings, it should also narrate cases where good men have gone back and fallen into evil, whether they are restored to the right path or continue irreclaimable; and also where bad men have changed, and have attained to goodness, whether they persevere in it or relapse into evil; in order that the righteous may be not lifted up in the pride of security, nor the wicked hardened in despair of cure" (Against Faustus 22:96 [A.D. 400]).
--> enough Attribution for ya?
2,706 posted on 02/02/2011 12:03:36 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Your understanding of Augustine is faulty.


2,715 posted on 02/02/2011 12:19:38 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The problem is that if anyone studies Calvinism, they come away convinced that it simply contradicts Scripture a lot and it is really built on human philosophy and logic -- Calvin's first and then the others

Calvin by human logic reasoned that God can't be sovereign if man can reject His gift of grace and He Can't be sovereign if salvation can be accepted or rejected by the sinner.

They completely forget that in the Bible, fallen man does reject and resist God at various points: from Cain to Noah's generation, to the Tower of BAbel, to the Israelites who were "a stubborn and rebellious generation" (Psa. 78:8) and who refused to walk in God's law” (Psa. 78:10).

Psa. 78:40-41
40 How often they rebelled against him in the wilderness
and grieved him in the wasteland!
41 Again and again they put God to the test;
they vexed the Holy One of Israel.
Nowhere does the bible teach that only the elect are given the ability to believe the gospel while the non-elect are left as completely/Totally depraved unable to believe

Yet Acts 17:30 calls on ALL men to repent
2,718 posted on 02/02/2011 12:23:45 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

It is not enough attribution for me. I see that excerpt at Catholic.com which requires attribution. If you didn’t pull it from there, the source will help the mods enforce copyright restrictions which might apply elsewhere.


2,802 posted on 02/02/2011 7:06:18 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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