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To: Cronos; caww
If one agrees in an "actively interested God" as opposed to a "bye,bye, I'm outta here God", then the actively interested God can use humans as tools, so someone's opinions are the TOOL that makes someone lose or find faith. Hence that tools actions signify God's will

That's precisely what Islamic terrorists claim when they blow up an Israeli family in a pizza shop or when they kill 3,000 people in Twin Towers.

It is a pretentious and potentially dangerous mindset, in my opinion, to assume to be God's tool, doing supposedly God's will.

1,997 posted on 01/30/2011 12:51:56 AM PST by kosta50 (Pagan prayer to Mithra: "give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again")
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To: kosta50; caww; Dr. Eckleburg
Good point.

I just need to add to my analogy that this hammer has the ability to say NO, to not do something or to do something else. It has a mind of it's own.

But then, does it fulfill the wielder's plan or its own plan when it hits the nails? hmm..... one could argue that it fulfills both plans. And if it does not hit the nail on the head then it does not fulfill the wielders plan.

Now, as to whether this holds true for Islamic beliefs -- if one believes the Koran to be the word of God, then yes, this is exactly what happens.

however, one topic at a time -- your question was whether expressing one's opinions on faith to someone means that man determines other men's salvation. I stated that that is wrong -- and even if one takes the Islamic, etc. terrorists, the basic difference is if :

1. One believes there is a conscious entity out there - God
2. That God is an interventionist God

If one believes points 1 and 2, then a man expressing his faith to another is not man 1 determining man 2's salvation.
2,006 posted on 01/30/2011 1:02:17 AM PST by Cronos
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To: kosta50
It is a pretentious and potentially dangerous mindset, in my opinion, to assume to be God's tool, doing supposedly God's will.

Actually no it's not....but there are many counterfeits and false prophets, Christ said that would be so. Some are clearly so, others hide behind a cloak of Christianity. However we are responsible for discerning the difference and God is faithful to assist us in that determination. Generally speaking if one is familiar with scripture it's not difficult to determine....though sometimes it takes time to. Anything which opposes scripture should be a red flag.

2,075 posted on 01/30/2011 5:43:28 AM PST by caww
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To: kosta50; Cronos; caww; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; ...
That's precisely what Islamic terrorists claim when they blow up an Israeli family in a pizza shop or when they kill 3,000 people in Twin Towers. It is a pretentious and potentially dangerous mindset, in my opinion, to assume to be God's tool, doing supposedly God's will.

Yeah. I mean really. Atheists have such a better track record.

Like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Castro......

2,086 posted on 01/30/2011 7:21:22 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50

It is a pretentious and potentially dangerous mindset, in my opinion, to assume to be God’s tool, doing supposedly God’s will.


Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

It’s not dangerous at all if you believe this.
There is only one God and if you love him and you love your neighbor as yourself you are not going to run around murdering others thinking you are doing his will.


2,236 posted on 01/31/2011 12:48:40 AM PST by Lera
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