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To: Cronos

4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[a] predestined us for adoption to sonship[b] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. (Ephesians 1:4-6)

9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, (2 Timothy 1:9)

The following is an excerpt from the Wisconsin Evang. Lutheran Synod (WELS):

We believe that already before the world was created, God chose those individuals whom he would in time convert through the gospel of Christ and preserve in faith to eternal life (Ephesians 1:4-6; Romans 8:29,30). This election to faith and salvation in no way was caused by anything in people but shows how completely salvation is by grace alone (Romans 11:5,6).

We reject any teaching that people in any way contribute to their salvation. We reject the belief that people with their own power can cooperate in their conversion or make a decision for Christ (John 15:16). We reject the belief that those who are converted were less resistant to God’s grace than those who remain unconverted. We reject all efforts to present faith as a condition people must fulfill to complete their justification. We reject all attempts of sinners to justify themselves before God.


7 posted on 01/07/2011 5:54:25 AM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: Vegasrugrat

Interesting. What is difference between Lutheran theology and Reformed on the question of salvation? I ask b/c some Lutherans have said Calvinism is heresy but Luther was “reformed” as far as I can tell so go figure.


13 posted on 01/07/2011 7:29:05 AM PST by Augustinian monk (NAFTA/GATT- How 's that free trade thingy workin out, America?)
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To: Vegasrugrat; redgolum; Belteshazzar

thank you for clarifying!


18 posted on 01/07/2011 8:38:50 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: Belteshazzar
Article XI of the Formula of Concord:

i like the point 34
34 “Many are called, but few are chosen” [Matthew 22:14]. This does not stem from the fact that God’s call, which is made through the Word, has the following meaning. It is not as though God said: “Outwardly, through the Word, I indeed call all of you to My kingdom, everyone to whom I give My Word. However, in My heart I do not mean this for everyone, but only for a few. For it is My will that most of those whom I call through the Word shall not be enlightened or converted. Instead, they shall be and remain damned, even though I explain Myself differently to them through the Word, in the call.” 35 For this would be to assign contradictory wills to God. In this way it would be taught that God, who surely is Eternal Truth, contradicts Himself, when, in fact, God punishes such wickedness in people, when a person states one purpose and thinks and means another in the heart (Psalm 5:9; 12:2–4). 36 By this notion the necessary basis of comfort is made completely uncertain and void. For we are daily reminded and encouraged that we are to learn and conclude what His will toward us is only from God’s Word, through which He works with us and calls us. We should believe and not doubt what it affirms to us and promises.
thank you
19 posted on 01/07/2011 8:41:17 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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