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To: Cronos

and your source for this information Cronos? I want to check further.


25 posted on 01/05/2011 9:29:03 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; wmfights
From the Sumerian King-list

Adapa U-an, elsewhere called the first man, was a half-god, half-man culture hero, called by the title Abgallu ( ab =water, gal =big, lu =man) of Eridu. He was considered to have brought civilization to the city from Dilmun (probably Bahrain), and he served Alulim.

In Sumerian mythology, Eridu was the home of the Abzu temple of the god Enki, the Sumerian counterpart of the Akkadian water-god Ea. Like all the Sumerian and Babylonian gods, Enki/Ea began as a local god, who came to share, according to the later cosmology, with Anu and Enlil, the rule of the cosmos. His kingdom was the waters that surrounded the world and lay below it (Sumerian ab =water; zu =far).

The stories of Inanna, goddess of Uruk, describe how she had to go to Eridu in order to receive the gifts of civilisation. At first Enki, the god of Eridu attempted to retrieve these sources of his power, but later willingly accepted that Uruk now was the centre of the land. This seems to be a mythical reference to the transfer of power northward

Babylonian texts also talk of the creation of Eridu by the god Marduk as the first city, "the holy city, the dwelling of their [the other gods] delight".
27 posted on 01/05/2011 11:12:58 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: caww; wmfights
One recent school of thought, following David Rohl, has conjectured that Eridu, to the south of Ur, was the original Babel and site of the Tower of Babel, rather than the later city of Babylon, for a variety of reasons

  1. The ziggurat ruins of Eridu are far larger and older than any others, and seem to best match the Biblical description of the unfinished Tower of Babel.
  2. One name of Eridu in cuneiform logograms was pronounced "NUN.KI" ("the Mighty Place") in Sumerian, but much later the same "NUN.KI" was understood to mean the city of Babylon.
  3. The much later Greek version of the King-list by Berosus (c. 200 BC) reads "Babylon" in place of "Eridu" in the earlier versions, as the name of the oldest city where "the kingship was lowered from Heaven".

28 posted on 01/05/2011 11:15:33 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: caww; wmfights
Even this bit about Babylon being the beginnings of occult is specuous.

Firstly, as proven above, Babylon is a younger city, Akkadian, not Sumerian

Secondly, the argument given that they were primarily interested in astroLOGY rather than astroNOMY is incorrect -- the Sumerians gave us a studied description of the night-sky. THEY were the ones who first divided the year into 360 days + 5. They were then the ones who invented geometry (hence 360 degrees in a circle). They were the ones who did this to enable them to plant crops.

Remember that agriculture mostly started in Sumeria and agriculte depends on you knowing the seasons exactly

They invented astronomy to predict this, they invented irrigation (dams, canals) to water their crops.

3. Astrology -- you have 3 main kinds: Western, Chinese and Indian and no they are not related. THe Hindu astrology has two non-existent planets Raghu and Ketu which are not there in Western or Chinese astrology for instance. There is NO indication of astrology in Sumeria at all. The first instances of astrology in Mesopotamia are in the 2nd millenium BC, yes in Babylon. And yet if you read their astrology and compare it with modern Western astrology you'll find they are quite different. Western astrology is derived from Greek Hermesism (Hermes Trismegistus.) which are not related to the Babylonian. He was the first to outline the houses and their meaning, and thus the houses are usually thought to date back to the very beginning of the Hellenistic tradition and indeed they are one of the major defining factors which separate Hellenistic astrology and other forms of horoscopic astrology from Babylonian astrology and other traditions in different parts of the world. This system of horoscopic astrology was then passed to another mythical figure named Asclepius to who some of the Hermetic writings are addressed.
30 posted on 01/05/2011 11:30:46 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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