Posted on 01/04/2011 1:06:16 PM PST by ADSUM
Letter from Archbishop Jerome Listecki, Milwaukee
Suggesting that Weakland have a date with a millstone constitutes defending him and being unwilling to see him as evil? I wouldn’t want you for a defense attorney.
BTW—are you going to defend post 334 back on the Luther Thread, or are you abandoning your position as a lost cause?
“Pedophile,” classically, is one who is attracted to PRE-PUBESCENT children. The term for someone who is attracted to pubescent and post-pubescent children is “Ephibophile.”
The distinction is important with regard to the pathology; homosexuals frequently have ephibophile tendencies, but not particularly high rates of pedophilia. Pedophiles tend to victimize children of either gender, regardless of whether their adult relationships tend to be heterosexual or homosexual. The clerical abuse scandal is ephibophilic, and nearly entirely homosexual. In fact, using the very same statistics you point out, 78% of the abuse victims are 11 years or older.
How you extract from my comments some sort of defense of the pervert-rapists in the Catholic priesthood is beyond my comprehension. In fact, I’d even go so far as to say that the culpability of homsexual ephibophiles in the Catholic priesthood is GREATER than that of pedophiles: the targeting of adolescents by these homosexuals is quite likely a cold-blooded victimization based purely on the expectation of being more able to manipulate adolescent victims than older ones.
(I'm assuming you do know how to link. If I'm over-estimating your computer skills, let me know.)
As for your defense of the papacy, Roman Catholics continually say "one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch," apparently oblivious to the fact that the entire bushel basket has been corrupted by the blasphemous belief these men are "another Christ."
Repent. It does the heart good.
Don’t associated God with evil!
Elijah complains that he alone is faithful to God, and God tells him to quit his bellyaching, informing him that he is not alone-7000 have not bent their need to Baal. Probably looking at well under 1% of the population.
Israel was a continual train wreck. They endured not because they were good, but because they were chosen. Many of them may be in hell, but they were still the vessel of salvation. Ditto for God’s vessel of election after Christ—no problem holding that shiploads of Catholics are likely headed for a very warm eterninty, but they, like the Israelites, are headed there not because they did what God asked, but because they ignored what God asked—not because of their Catholicism but inspite of it.
Some Catholic Bishops are sodomites, some Anglican Bishops are sodomites, but the theology does differ. The Anglicans change their theology to fit their lifestyle, the Catholics hide their lifestyles because they cannot change their theology.
We expect no less.
Your church is corrupted by pedophiles, child rapists and homosexuals masquerading as men of God.
Every one of those men will be held accountable for their sins, as will everyone who denies the depths of their depravity.
(”A country which kills its own children has no future” -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
What about when a church/priests rapes it’s own children? The church has no future or the children?
Way too cute.
For RC priests, their lifestyle IS their theology. Being "another Christ" has its privileges.
Repent. It does the heart good.
Having known a few dozen priests well, and several score less well, I would say that you are painting with a rather wide brush and do not know the sacrifices that they generally make. Each one does have flaws, but most strive to overcome flaws, and relatively few have the sorts of flaws that prompted this thread. The main privilege is conforming to the cross.
I see your list of excuses as you ignored the Scripture.
Finger pointing is a liberal trait. A demonstration of not wanting to be accountable.
Catholics ignore Scripture and come up with a defense. It’s doesn’t work that way in HIS KINGDOM. Just thought I’d give you a heads up but you didn’t heed it.
There is no such entity as “another Christ.”
It is sinful to teach such a lie. It is blasphemy to believe such a lie. And it is arrogant to think men will buy that lie just because Rome works to finagle the language.
Generations later, we do not need miracles and signs and wonders. As Christ taught us, all we need is the "sign of Jonas," the resurrection (Matthew 12:39.)
Rome, sadly, is not content with the resurrection. Rome seeks after signs and wonders and in doing so, reveals her lack of grace.
Yep. They are without grace.
What crime could be worse for a supposed minister of God to perpetrate? Raping children is the most heinous of acts. And Rome is a factory for them.
My bible includes 1 kings, numbers, 1 samuel, and the gospel of Matthew, all of which I have alluded to (my apologies for failing to include chapter and verse if you fail to recognize the allusions) as well as isaiah, so I would hardly say that I am ignoring scripture. I have condmned the archbishop in stronger terms than anyone else on the thread, so I would hardly say that I am calling evil good.
But if directly addressing isaiah is the most important thing to you, I would point you to the parable of the wheat and the tares, along with that of the sheep and the goats. These may be found in your Bibles.
Dr. E—it is much easier to begin discussions that require definitions and distinctions than to conclude them. Alter Christus is a precisely defined theological term, though like most precisely defined terms, the definition itself is not at bumper sticker level. You may or may not know this, and you may or may not care. At the moment, I am more interested in seeing you defend the position that you took(probably inadvertently) against Leo XIII and Pius XI back on the luther thread. We should finish that discussion before embracing another.
>>And just what’s a CHURCH doing filing Chapter 11 anyway?<<
To get out of paying lawsuits.
Anyone else notice that the current apologetic has the Catholic Church blaming the priests, but not blaming the bishops who supervised and covered for them? Read Archbishop Jerome Listecki's letter again, and note that he doesn't ascribe any blame to Archbishop Weakland, or to the archdiocese itself.
I would have expected a religious order to recognize that raping a child is fundamentally a sinful behavior, before they would believe it to be aberrational behavior. It should be a warning sign to everyone that if a religious order looks to "the Psychs" for expert advice on dealing with known sinful behavior, instead of looking in their Bibles for solutions, they prove themselves to be scripturally deficient if not illiterate....We should not expect "psychological treatment" will end sinful behavior. That's what many bishops have believed, however, and look at what fruit it has yielded - $3,000,000,000 awarded in damages and settlements by Catholic dioceses within the United States alone.
-- Alex Murphy, May 20, 2009
Do you really think so? Really?
And on the RF, most of us don't simply "allude" to Scripture. We post chapter and verse.
Keeps us honest.
Alter Christus is a precisely defined theological term, though like most precisely defined terms, the definition itself is not at bumper sticker level. You may or may not know this, and you may or may not care. At the moment, I am more interested in seeing you defend the position that you took(probably inadvertently) against Leo XIII and Pius XI back on the luther thread. We should finish that discussion before embracing another.
I've "defended" my position re: Pacelli to my satisfaction. I can't do much about your unmet expectations other than to say "life isn't fair."
Regarding your non-definition of "alter Christus," once again we see the trampling of the language and the misdirection of what is, for all intents and purposes, plain English.
Here's a nifty little thread, a Catholic caucus, no less, by Father Kenneth Baker wherein he tells us exactly what "alter Christus" means to him...
"...Simply stated, the Catholic priest is another Christ. Through his ordination he has been granted the amazing gift of being a channel of divine grace for the eternal salvation of those he come into contact with—both in his official ministry and in his personal life."
Surely someone as erudite as yourself, so knowledgeable about history and etymology, can see where this business of being "another Christ" in the guy's professional AND "personal life" might cause a little confusion on the part of a young child and on the man himself.
The child sees someone he's been told is Jesus Christ standing before him, requesting some special attention during his "personal life." And certainly "another Christ" must feel he's "entitled" to whatever diversions tickle his fancy.
Privileges and perks of the collar, no doubt.
This is such an egregious lie it's difficult to believe otherwise sane men and women would buy into this insanity.
And yet, here you are.
Do you have children?
That's why Rome is a corrupt organization masquerading as a church. It draws in, harbors, glorifies, enables, protects and rewards pedophiles and homosexuals.
That's who they want. That's why they don't blame the bishops. The bishops are just as corrupt. But they have to be protected because they are that much closer to the false bishop of Rome.
$3,000,000,000 awarded in damages and settlements by Catholic dioceses within the United States alone.
And that was from May, 2009. Almost two years ago. The billions keep climbing.
I have condmned the archbishop in stronger terms than anyone else on the thread,
Do you really think so? Really?
Sorry if you need chapter and verse to recall Elijah’s conversation with God and how parables run. If your scriptural knowledge requires this, perhaps spending some time outside of Paul would be good, though in fairness you were not the one saying that I was ignoring scripture.
See you back on the Luther thread some time—no defense of your position on Pacelli is needed, because Pacelli is a tangent that you brought up rather than addressing the argument.
I have a four year old that needs cuddles.
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