Oooooo-kay. And it takes you back to Abraham. Right.
DU read me carefully...
There were no books as such printed before Gutenburg...
and before that Christian monks say in drafty garrets painstackingly copying word for word by hand...the Bible..
It took YEARS to copy one Bible..
Little else but affairs of state and religious documents were written on paper, or parchment...
the only births, baptisms, marriages or deaths were of nobel families by those who could write..
few events of peon families were ever recorded unless the parish priest noted the christening in the church of a favored lackey of the local squire or lord of the manor..
and religious wars caused the destruction of many churches so those records are GONE...
Before that papyrus or bark or animal skins were used...
2,000 years at the time the Word of God came in the flesh as the LORD Jesus Christ, your English, French, Dutch and German ancestors were running around in animal skins not interested in recording anything on their britches and fighting the Roman soldiers..
and so on...
You are wasting your time trying to argue such a dumb point with me...
Im a geneologist from decades back...
You can no more trace your family back to the original 12 tribes of the sons of Jacob than the blasphemer Joey Smith could prove he was a direct descendant of the LORD Jesus Christ...
and yes its fun to do research into your families history...
However the mormons make a mockery of geneology as they make a mockery of just about everything else and use it merely to make money..
several of my ancestors were dead dunked into mormonism an evil Satanic religion they would have adhored...
The mormon IGI is full of wrrors...which the mormons refuse to correct when told..
Real geneologosts are extremely careful over their research and check each source...
too much junk I have found leads back to Utah...
BTW I have never used the IGI for my research because they are so unreliable...
and when I need to see documents I get them from elsewhere...
the mormons charge twice as much for something coming to Tennesse just from Utah as I can pay to get something from overseas...
Now I realize that the mormons would likme to OWN my families history and the family lines of evceryone...but they dont have that monopoly as yet...
Oh Boo Hooo
Meanwhile kid you are not descended from the 12 tribes...
and Gov Boggs of MO was just repeating the erxtermination order that the mormons had already brought against the innocent citizens of MO...
and while the mormons had their 5,000 strong gang of Danite dutthroats and thugs ready to murder the lawabiding non-mormons and steal their land etc...
Gov Boggs just ordered the criminal mormons to cease and desist and leave his state...
as gov he had a sworn dury to protect and serve his MO constituents and he did so...
The mormons had a choice to live in MO peacefully or leave...
some mormons chose to leave...and went with Joey Smith on his next maraudering crime spree...
Some mormons chose to stay and settled down as peaceful settlers, were never molested and their descendants still live in MO to this day...
BTW if you are attempting to say your ancestors were Indians, I have Cherokee grandchildren...
Plus at least 2 of my ancestors were killed by Indians..
Both men gave as good as they got...
I always havbe a good day...
and your mormon god does not have the power to bless anyone...
as he is only a man he cant even save or bless himself...
It takes the Blood that God Himself, the LORD Jesus Christ, shed on the Cross to do that...
'Webster' DU is NOT!
DU, I believe if my memory serves me correctly, is referencing how MO's Gov. Boggs is an ancestor of his. [Correct me DU if I'm off-base here]
What most people miss -- including DU -- & especially OTHER Mormons trying to express why they have a persecution complex...is that they fail to "land" upon the correct definition of "extermination" in the 1835 time period.
Evidence (a): Webster's Dictionary of 1828 under "exterminate" has: "Literally, to drive from within the limits or borders. Hence, 1. To destroy utterly; to drive away...."
Source: MORMONS - PERSECUTED, PERSECUTOR OR BOTH?
Evidence (b): A Mormon author, George W. Givens, likewise pointed this out in his book 500 Little-Known Facts in Mormon History: Latter-day Saints have universally condemned the notorious Haun's Mill Massacre by a mom-militia shortly after Missouri Governor Boggs issued the infamous extermination order...a second look at the definition of the word "exterminate" as it was used in 1838, however, might cause us to take a second look at Governor Boggs as well. An American Dictionary of English Language, published in 1828, defines "exterminate" as "literally, to drive from within the limits or borders." (p. 26) Bonneville Books, 2004
Q What implications does this have?
A Simply put, beware of Mormon Victimology Mythology!
Mormon Victimology Mythology: Or How Mormon Historical Revisitionists often need a Paul Harvey type 'rest of the story' to hold them accountable for their strange gaps in their history!
Early Summer, 1838 -- July 4, in fact: Joseph Smith's "partner in cult mayhem is Sidney Rigdon.
Rigdon chose this date to give an "inflammatory" sermon re: independence of the church from mobocracy. Rigdon "warned of a war of EXTERMINATION between Mormons and their enemies if they were further threatened or harassed." (Leland H. Gentry, Church History, p. 343). Lds writer Max Parkin conceded that Rigdon's June 19 and July 4 messages "further incensed the public against expanding LDS influences." (Church History, p. 348).
If DU & other Mormons were given history questions on understanding the word "extermination" in 1830s America, they would flunk outright! Certainly, what we almost NEVER hear from contemporary Mormon posters is that apparently the first group to threaten the other with "extermination" in Missouri wasn't Gov. Boggs. 'Twas Lds leader Sidney Rigdon four months prior to that!
To add even more to the complexity of why people acted as they did in those Missouri 1830s, the Lds Church History; Selections from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism adds other reasons:
(a) Sidney Rigdon's June 19, 1838 "Salt Sermon" reinforced local Mormon opposition;
(b) Lds militia officer Sampson Avard initiated a vigilante group known as the Danites
(c) Gamecock posted an article a few years back with a few interesting excerpts:
Late October, 1838:
[Author had just cited Lds apostle Bruce McConkie]: McConkie's dramatic rhetoric fails to take into account the fact that the Haun's Mill massacre took place just one week after the battle of Crooked River. [Former BYU History professor] Quinn writes: "A generally unacknowledged dimension of both the EXTERMINATION ORDER and the Haun's Mill massacre, however, is that they resulted from Mormon actions in the Battle of Crooked River. Knowingly or not, MORMONS HAD ATTACKED STATE TROOPS, and this had a cascade effect… upon receiving news of the injuries and death of state troops at Crooked River, Governor Boggs immediately drafted his extermination order on 27 October 1838 because the MORMONS 'HAVE MADE WAR UPON THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE.' Worse, the killing of one Missourian and mutilation of another while he was defenseless at Crooked River led to the mad-dog revenge by Missourians in the slaughter at Haun's Mill" (Origins of Power, p.100).
Secondary source: Violence in Early Mormonism - Was It All Unjust Persecution?
From this same article posted by Gamecock: If violence against a certain faith were the only way to determine truth, then certainly the Mormons themselves would have to recognize that our Christian faith was just as viable as theirs. Can a Mormon, off the top of his head, recall when the last Mormon was killed just because he was a Mormon? Certainly we have heard of Mormons being tragically killed while serving missions, but these cases involve circumstances other than true martyrdom (robberies, car accidents, being mistaken for CIA agents, etc). On the other hand, it is not uncommon to hear of Christians around the world who are being killed because they refuse to denounce their belief that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. While martyrdom seems to be a thing of the past for the Mormons, it is a common occurrence among those who have placed their total trust in the Jesus of the Bible.” (Bill McKeever)