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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
My mind is not made up as to weather you believe the writings in question. I would like to know from your knowledge of the LDS belief if you agree with the statements from your prophets and leaders.Many of us would like to know how Mormons feel about the official writings of the LDS belief system in the areas sited in that post.
It would clear up many of the misunderstandings.
Thank you.
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In all due respect how would it clear up any misunderstandings sinse your mind seems to be already made up!
Yes, my mind is make up in one area.
I believe the writings are accurate and accurately describe the beliefs of the LDS church.
I would like to know what you think, as you are an adherent of Mormonism.
I hope we can continue this dialog, thanks for responding!
The poster of this thread posted an average of OVEr ONE per day for that last month.
Do you think Free Republic is a Religion Forum or a place to defend the constitution?
restornu, it is " America's exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty constitutional conservative activists!"p>The Religion forum is a small part of it.
I post much more on the news forum than I do in the Religion Forum.
How about you?
Many, many over the years have been zotted from all faiths who original purpose was a Free Republic.
Yes, disputers are a diverse lot.
Free Republic is still plugging along with it's original purpose.
Really restornu, how often do you post in the News Forum, or is FR mostly a Religion Forum for your purposes?
Funny you should ask ME that question!
You stated you ‘become a God’...and according to this post now,... that apparently “you’re relying on Jesus for salvation and for this he will make you a God.”
” Many....will say to me on that day..”Lord Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?.....”THEN” I will tell them plainly,.... “I never knew you........away from me you evildoers.”.........Matt 7:22
I would suspect if you keep up with your belief, (he is going to make you a God), you could very well find yourself “trying to to break down the doors of heaven to get in” as you mentioned.
Mosiah 13:34: “Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth?”
Mosiah 15:1-5: “And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son— The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son— And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation...”
Mosiah 16:15: “Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father.”
Alma 11:26-33: And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God? And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God. Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest thou these things? And he said: An angel hath made them known unto me. And Zeezrom said again: Who is he that shall come? Is it the Son of God? And he said unto him, Yea.”
Alma 11:38-40: Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father? And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last; And he shall come into the world to redeem his people; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life, and salvation cometh to none else.”
In Mosiah it says, “God himself” shall come down among the children of men. “God himself”. What better words to explain who Jesus is! In Mosiah it also says Jesus is “…Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father”. This isn’t written in another language or in need of further interpretation, but comes from the Book of Mormon – a book proclaimed to be “the most correct book on the face of the earth”! The Book of Mormon – and the Bible – teach there is only one Eternal Father and He is our Father in heaven who is over all, not just ‘over this earth’, but over all that exists and all that will ever exist. Why don’t you believe these verses from the Book of Mormon? If the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on the earth, why doesn’t it say, “Jesus, who is our eternal brother”?
How can the Book of Mormon be the most correct book on the earth when the LDS Church doesn’t accept and teach the above passages? Growing up, I was always taught that the Book of Mormon is “the most correct book on the face of the earth”. I don’t know who originally said that, as far as church history, but I’ve heard this quote or phrase many times. To find out that the Book of Mormon agrees with the Bible on who God is, was like a lightning bolt from the sky. Can you tell me why the LDS Church doesn’t teach this – especially since it is in the Book of Mormon? It doesn’t make sense that your church does not accept it’s own scriptures.
What does himeslf mean in Mormonism. Some one else? Don't believe your lying eyes.
Just to help you think about your answer, here is a little charting of just a couple of the significant changes from 1830 to the 1837 version of Nephi:
1Nephi changes:
Prior to 1837
After 1837 changes …
11:18 And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin which thou seest, is the mother of God, after the manner of flesh.
And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
11:21 And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father! Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
11:32 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me again, saying, look! And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Everlasting God, was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.
And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me again, saying: Look! And I looked and beheld the Lamb of God, that he was taken by the people; yea, the Son of the everlasting God was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.
13:40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which is of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Saviour of the world; and that all men must come unto Him, or they cannot be saved;
And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.
Now they might post a thread titled “The Pope is the Vicar of Christ.” Much more likely than what your postulated.
I give a lot more leeway to Catholicism than Mormonism, as Catholicism is based on the Historical Biblical Jesus while the Mormon belief system has a Jesus that does not fit Biblical criteria.
So far you have not given me a specific item from the offical Church Doctrine which is contain in the standard works.
Bible Book of Mormon Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants
Anything else is Sermons, Ponderings and speculations.
Thank you for documenting those changes here for all to see.
With years now of researching Mormonism, I have desktop files of quotes, etc. directly from LDS sources. Glad to share them if it can help someone escape the demonic religion that pretends to be restored christianity, with a god who they claim was once a man, and who sired their jesus through union with a goddess, and which god was appointed god over earth by a council of gods and then picked up two other gods to get things done as one in purpose. The story from Smith was so close to the ancient Greek and Roman polytheism that it always surprises me when delph or resty spittles that the trinity conceptualization of The One God is a farce to Mormons.
That statement made ZERO sense.
***Then I gather a lot of things don’t make sense to you that do make sense to many others.
You appear to have not frequented many mormon threads before, so I’ll give you some latitude in regards to your call for “civil discourse”.
Use of the word heretic pales in comparison to some of the, shall we say, more colorful terms directed towards those who question mormonISM, regardless of tone or manner. Any who question[ed] the doctrine are branded as “anti’s” and are henceforth denied any “civility” from some of the mormons or their defenders.
Let’s just say that updating the list of terms got tiresome.
“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.”
Winston Churchill
In actuality, if Joe had this forest vision, the two or one inthe vision did not confirm whom they/it were/was by confessing that Jesus had come int he flesh.
they were label Caucus and why are you contending over this are you the owner?
but any thread that is LDS can be confusing to those who don’t follow closely the RF threads.
back to that mind set again those who are LDS see things differently in title than others as it is with those freepers who are RF followers many know the differents meaning of RF threads.
Many of the N/AF followers are not clue in to the RF rules.
Do you like a continuing turmoil happy campers are paying campers!
So far you have not given me a specific item from the offical Church Doctrine which is contain in the standard works.Thank you so much, restornu!Bible Book of Mormon Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants
Here's a start:
"All of us lived in this heavenly spiritual realm before we were born with physical bodies on the earth. Christ was begotten of the Father, as were all of us, including Lucifer, who was a Son of the Morning. The title “Son of the Morning” could either signify that Lucifer was one of the earliest born of the spirits, or was illustrious, or both. The name Lucifer means “lightbearer” or “shining one.” Since both Christ and Lucifer were born of the Father, they are brothers in a spiritual sense, as all of us are brothers and sisters in that sense. (LDS teaching regarding Joseph Smith‘s, Pearl of Great Price: Book of Moses 4:1-4)So Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, both born of the Father?
And here is another. Does it count, it is from the Prophet Joseph Smith:
"Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)Jesus' Father (God) laid down His life, same as Jesus?
Is that considered Sermons, Ponderings or speculations or can it be considered "gospel" from the LDS?
It's my understanding that the title Prophet means one that speaks God's truth.
Wouldn't Smith's pronouncements be considered offical Church Doctrine?
Here is the final one, restornu.
"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)Does not that speak of many Gods, restornu?
Thank you for your patience, I await your answers!
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