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To: topcat54

> (1 Peter 2:9,10)

Yes, this is the promise made to Israel being extended to those who were grafted on to the root of Jesse. Read Romans 11.

As for Rev 11-17, I’m thinking about things like being able to see events happen all over the world simultaneously. Not possible until recently.

Things like a government that encompasses the entire world, not just Europe or the Middle East. You know, like the flood that encompassed the entire world. You do believe in the global flood, right?

Things like the 12,000 from 12 of the tribes of Israel being given God’s seal before the angels are allowed to do hurt to the entire Earth.

You know, stuff like that.

If you think all of these things have already come to pass, good for you.

I don’t.

By and by, we shall see who was correct.

Not likely that you and I are going to agree on this until it’s over.

I have a large family and a full-time job, and probably spend way too much time on this web site already.


54 posted on 01/02/2011 6:49:47 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook
Yes, this is the promise made to Israel being extended to those who were grafted on to the root of Jesse. Read Romans 11.

But Peter is writing to the Church. It is the body of Christ, neither Jew nor Greek, that is called a holy nation. And clearly it has nothing to do with physical land. In fact there is nothing in the NT about promises to the people of God having to do with physical parcel of land.

As for Rev 11-17, I’m thinking about things like being able to see events happen all over the world simultaneously. Not possible until recently.

I think you are reading stuff into the text that is not there, not plainly anyway. You see satellites and big screen TVs because you want to see those things. You see modern technology where there is no technology, not in any plain text sense.

You do believe in the global flood, right?

Yes, I do, but I don't read the prophetic scriptures as I read the historic scriptures ala Genesis 4-6. They are a different literary genre, and must be approached in a different manner. If you want to understand Revelation, put down the New York Times read the rest of the Bible, especially Ezekiel.

You know, stuff like that.

Again, if you want to understand what “stuff like that” means, you have to compare it to the rest of the Bible. E.g., as we see in 1 Peter 2, the apostle applied terms reserved for OT Israel to the NT Church. Paul called the Church, the “Israel of God.” He taught that gentiles were being included in the commonwealth of Israel. So, if you want to understand the image of the 12 tribes in Rev, 7 and 14, you need to understand how the NT refers to God's covenant people, the body of Christ.

By and by, we shall see who was correct.

How long do we have to wait? Futurists have been predicting that this stuff is gonna happen “real soon now” for decades. They have been wrong on every turn. They are no closer to getting it right today that 40 years ago. Every one of these silly articles either begins or ends with the claim that the rapture is gonna happen very soon. But it appears that every author is just talking through their hat. They are no more believable than a Harry Potter tale. The difference is that these folks think they have it right. They are self-deluded. So, tell us, how long do we have to wait? 100, 200, 500 years? A thousand?

You don't really know, do you?

57 posted on 01/02/2011 7:27:05 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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