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To: aruanan; Elsie; Godzilla; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; SZonian; Zakeet; caww; ...
I'm making it a New Years resolution that when I accuse the LDS of hereseies and blasphemies I will take the time to detail at least one each time as to just why it is blasphemy or a heresy. It isn't fair to the lurking Mormons who have secret, privately held questions and get only spam. It is time we detail the reasons for our accusations ... we don't want to be like PD, accusing, ever accusing, never explaining.

On that note, here's the first in a planned series. The LDS assert that God was once a man and had to gain the attributes of godhood. This heretical teaching is easily substantiated in Mormon lore via direct quotes from the founder of Mormonism and subsequent leadership in the LDS.

Here are direct quotes from LDS founders, followed by the reason this is blaspemous/heretical garbage:

"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three God's." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370.).

The Bible dictionary says that God is “The Supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone, and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22-23).”

Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

This is heretical teaching on par with the greatest heretics in Christian Church History! It is a gnarl of lies designed to support the Mormonism blasphemy that gods in a troika over earth are merely one of many gods:

In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)

For those only vaguely familiar with Christianity, and Judaism, all of the universe and all variations of THE universe came forth from The One God Who is greater than and exists independent of time and space. In the beginning means at, and through the CREATION. There was no 'before' preceding Creation because Time is also a created dimension, as is space a created dimension. Without time events do not occur, without space things do not exist. Even Angels exist in a spatio-temporal realm but we were not made in such a way as to be able to perceive this other spatio-temporal realm in our present state. At the very start of John's Gospel, we find:

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened. Young‘s Literal Transalation from the original Greek
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.KJV [THE WORD was God in the beginning, and the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us. INSOFAR as the flesh can hold 'godness', Jesus, The Word through Whom and by Whom all things were created, was made flesh and dwelt among us! Jesus was and is God with us, the Hope of Glory.]

In the Hebrew scriptures (in The Torah) we read:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

And in the New Testament we read Jesus offering:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

And those who were trying to trip up Jesus fully understood this as they replied to Jesus regarding The One God Whose name is in Hebrew a plural form,

Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

There is no three gods making up a 'godhead' as Smith taught. There is only God, as Paul puts it while explaining the glorious truth of justification through faith not works:

Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Pulling together two passages from Paul's teaching, we read and understand that God and Jesus are the same, not two separate bodily beings as Joseph Smith claimed with his re-hashed vision(s) and his heretical teachings:

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. [Paul is reasoning with the Christians in Galatia who were being led astray by false teachings that God and Jesus are the same GOD, as Jesus IS God Who took up flesh and dwelt among us!]

Finally, Paul in writing to Timothy is sharing the most fundamental truth with Timothy. And Paul had at that point lived his life teaching this One truth, suffering immensely for staying true to this One truth, and sharing it as the most precious thing he could pass to Timothy whom he much loved in the faith:

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Mormonism teaches an layering of lies which are all designed by an evil genius who is the father of lies. These layered lies assert that:

--the god of Mormonism was once a man and had to earn the attributes of godhood;
--that this god, once he earned the position of godhood, was then selected by a council of gods to be the god over earth;
--that this god had one or more goddess wives who sired untold billions of spirit children into existence, one of whom, the jesus of Mormonism, became a god like the Mormonism god through earning the attributes of godhood and becoming one of three in the Mormonism godhead troika;
--that this jesus of Mormonism has a spirit brother sired by the Mormonism god and his goddess(s), satan, the now fallen angel.

Such lies are designed to demote The One God into nothing greater than a progression of gods back through some temporal fairyland, with the jesus of Mormonism having been created by union of a god and goddess, and jesus's father god having been created in the same way, etc. This is so similar to the polytheism of ancient Greece and Rome, with gods and goddesses creating through sex a series of mortals and gods and goddesses! THIS IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. This is blasphemy fabricated through a series of twisted lies about God and Jesus and The Holy Spirit.

The concept of a trinitarian nature of God is soundly taught through the Bible. Is it any wonder that Mormonism apologist seek to poo poo the trinitarian concept of God and try to imply it is the creation of Constantine? The conceptualization existed long before Constantine. It can be found coded in the Tanakh and taught in the New Testament. But in order to make room for a series of heretical lies which give support to the blasphemy which denies Whom God IS, the apologists must denigrate the truth of the trinitarian nature of God.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

64 posted on 01/01/2011 9:31:51 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

That's the heart of the matter.

The heresies are so grievous. They contain a seed that is more than just error, a seed that blinds.

67 posted on 01/01/2011 10:17:29 AM PST by delacoert
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To: T Minus Four; reaganaut; SENTINEL

Meant to ping you


72 posted on 01/01/2011 11:47:43 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Paragon Defender; restornu

Ping ... this is NOT a non-issue. This different definition of God, the god of Mormonism is central to the non-Christian nature of Mormonism.


75 posted on 01/01/2011 11:57:26 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: RaceBannon; Tennessee Nana

pingaling ... now, back to football as Alabama deconstructs the Michigan State Spartans.


76 posted on 01/01/2011 12:00:10 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; Paragon Defender; JustTheTruth

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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so is

3 Nephi 11 (These are the words of the Lord and should you contend with this scriptures it is not with me but with the Lord!

28 And according as I have commanded you thus shall ye baptize. And there shall be no disputations among you, as there have hitherto been; neither shall there be disputations among you concerning the points of my doctrine, as there have hitherto been.

29 For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another.

30 Behold, this is not my doctrine, to stir up the hearts of men with anger, one against another; but this is my doctrine, that such things should be done away.

31 Behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will declare unto you my doctrine.

32 And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.

33 And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God.

34 And whoso believeth not in me, and is not baptized, shall be damned.

35 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and I bear record of it from the Father; and whoso believeth in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him with fire and with the Holy Ghost.

36 And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one.

37 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and become as a little child, and be baptized in my name, or ye can in nowise receive these things.

38 And again I say unto you, ye must repent, and be baptized in my name, and become as a little child, or ye can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God.

39 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.

40 And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil, and is not built upon my rock; but he buildeth upon a sandy foundation, and the gates of hell stand open to receive such when the floods come and the winds beat upon them.

41 Therefore, go forth unto this people, and declare the words which I have spoken, unto the ends of the earth.

Mark 10

17 ¶ And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Roman 12

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

John 17

21 That they all may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I IN thee, that they also may be ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE!

23 I in them, and thou in me, I IN THEM, AND THOU IN ME that they may be made perfect in ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


78 posted on 01/01/2011 12:38:55 PM PST by restornu (When one wets on your legs and trys to call it rain is that not a form of deceit......)
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To: MHGinTN

That’s quite the lengthy dissertation. But what do you mean? /S
Surely you don’t mean that God has always existed and therefore could never have a father as we do in the physical and earthly realm.
further it seems you are beginning the argument that God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus are one and same, part and parcel?
I still want my own planet poulated with only the most beautiful women of “My” creation.

I just have to figure out this worthy and well qualified thing.

It sounds like a Masonic rite but what do I know?  Keith 187 Texas Lodge, Gilroy.

I could have made this post funny but I’m on my cell and typing on these tiny keys is brutal.  The keyboard must have been made for Barbie or G.I. Joe


92 posted on 01/01/2011 2:48:23 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks for the ping, dear MHGinTN!


97 posted on 01/02/2011 6:18:37 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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