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To: Cronos
actually, it always is...

It's always impressive to see someone who can believe 2 impossible things before breakfast. Disturbing, but impressive.

Pray to Mary or "saints"?

Call your "priest" "Father"?

Believe in Papal infallibility?

How about Purgatory or Limbo?

Catholic apologists have a long list of anti-biblical baloney to defend.


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Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
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359 posted on 12/31/2010 2:18:31 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian
The Bible is the gold standard for us Catholics. The Catechism only hold the defined doctrines of the faith and aids just like a pastor/preacher/bible study class aids.

Holy Tradition cannot contradict scripture

To quote from Orthodoxy Ordinary man has always been sane (because) he has always cared more for truth than for consistency. If he saw two truths that seemed to contradict each other, he would take the two truths and the contradiction along with them. his spiritual sight is stereoscopic, like his physical sight: he sees two different pictures at once and yet he sees all the bette for that. thus he has always believed that there was such a thing as fate, but such a thing as free will also. Thus he believed that children were indeed the kingdom of heaven, but nevertheless ought to be obedient to the kingdom of earth. He admired youth because it was young and age because it was not. IT is exactly this balance of apparent contradictions that has been the whole buoyancy of the healthy man. The whole secret of mysticism is this: that man can understand everything by the help of what he does not understand. The morbid logician seeks to make everything lucid and succeeds in making everything mysterious. The mystic allows one thing to be mysterious and everything else becomes lucid.
375 posted on 12/31/2010 10:22:54 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: The Comedian
Oh, I call my Catholic priests Ksiądz which translates as Priest. Why do you put the English world as being the only one?
376 posted on 12/31/2010 10:24:16 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: The Comedian
Purgatory is the process by which those who die in God's grace and friendship, who have been saved by the blood of the lamb are given their final scrubbing clean of sin by God before they enter the presence of the Lord (because in God's presence sin is non-existent, destroyed). Church doctrine clearly states that this is a process, NOT a place -- it's silent on the nature of this as we do not know, but we know that all who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation. Christ's blood washing them clean.
377 posted on 12/31/2010 10:26:11 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: The Comedian
you don't believe in the limbo of the fathers? (Luke 16:22). Jesus told the Good Thief that the two of them would be together "this day" in "Paradise" (Luke 23:43; see also Matthew 27:38); but between on the Sunday of his resurrection he said that he had "not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17).
Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “hell”—Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek—because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God. Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into “Abraham’s bosom”: It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham’s bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell. Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him

For Limbo of the infants, note that the very term is not and has never been, defined doctrine. All the Church says is
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism.
Now take those two points and compare it with what you were taught The Church believes -- and you'll see that whoever fed you the falsehoods was lying.
378 posted on 12/31/2010 10:34:26 PM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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