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Lutheran Leaders Invite Pope to Play a Part in Their 500th Anniversary
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Posted on 12/30/2010 10:43:45 AM PST by marshmallow
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Younan said under such an agreement, Lutherans would be able to receive communion at a Catholic mass, and Catholics would also be able to receive communion at Lutheran services, The Christian Century said. I'm thinking that the Rev. Younan's ecumenical vision may be somewhat different from that of Benedict XVI....... :-)
To: marshmallow
The “Lutheran” churches which are members of the Lutheran World Federation have, by and large, abandoned any semblance of adherence to the Lutheran confessions.
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posted on
12/30/2010 10:48:15 AM PST
by
Mr. Lucky
To: marshmallow
I’m thinking that LWF president Bishop Munib Younan should be given a drug test.
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posted on
12/30/2010 10:52:38 AM PST
by
A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
To: Mr. Lucky
Very true. I just wish they would drop the “Lutheran” name.
To: marshmallow
I was wondering what “Eucharistic hospitality” was when I read the intercommunion nonsense. I suggest, however, that your bishops have only themselves to blame for the fantastical thinking of the Lutheran prelate since the Latin Rite bishops have for years attempted to use the Eucharist as a means to ecclesial unity with us Orthodox rather than as an expression of it after reunion is attained.
In any event, I trust that the Lutheran leader’s suggestion was gently and politely declined.
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:15:56 AM PST
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
To: marshmallow
It could be said that the Pope opened himself up to the offer by breaking bread with Anglicans. In Canada, despite the Anglicans having "Catholic" in the formal name of their church, they're counted as Protestants in everyday life. I believe the same applies in the U.K.
That noted, putting aside old divisions would lead to a united Christian front composed of the Roman Catholic church and other churches as independent allies - a Christian answer to the "coalition of the willing."
To: danielmryan
So, in the "united Christian front" would female or gay clergy be OK? Would abortion be permissible? Would recognition of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic Host be optional?
Orthodox Lutheran churches refuse to be in communion with members of the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church should do the same.
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:35:28 AM PST
by
Mr. Lucky
To: danielmryan
The “breaking bread with the Anglicans” part has be scratching my head, since the Catholic church does not recognize Anglican orders. You’re saying that the Pope did what...? Link?
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:45:44 AM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
("No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." ~ Lily Tomlin)
To: Mr. Lucky
The Lutheran churches which are members of the Lutheran World Federation have, by and large, abandoned any semblance of adherence to the Lutheran confessions.And Christ
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:56:40 AM PST
by
RnMomof7
(Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
To: Kolokotronis; marshmallow
Very good point Kolo. The more I read of Orthodox theology, the more it is apparent that it IS NOT Roman Catholic theology.
Never mind what the back of the missal says.
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posted on
12/30/2010 3:01:47 PM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: redgolum
"
Never mind what the back of the missal says. "
Especially never mind what the back of the missal says! You know, I wonder if the Europeans or the Canadians have that in their paperback missals?
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posted on
12/30/2010 3:33:40 PM PST
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
To: marshmallow
I think that Lutherans will follow the Anglicans back to the Catholic Church.
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posted on
12/30/2010 3:41:19 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Kolokotronis
Good question. One I have never thought about.
I do know that there is a prayer pasted over that statement in the Nebraska Dioceses. Used to make my mother in law laugh.
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posted on
12/30/2010 5:01:57 PM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: Salvation
Some will, to escape the rank heresy in their own synods. Which will cause problems in the Catholic church as they will bring the same heresies (or its seeds) with them.
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posted on
12/30/2010 5:04:26 PM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: marshmallow
Even if tomorrow the Lutherans were to adopt the Catholic teaching on the Eucharist there would still be the question of the validity of the Lutheran Eucharist because of the lack of valid apostolic succession among their bishops. I know that the Scandinavian Lutheran bishops are descendant of their Catholic predecessors but is this true of the Germans? But even with the Scandinavians, have they maintain a true succession in their ordination rites?
To: Mrs. Don-o
To: Mr. Lucky
So, in the "united Christian front" would female or gay clergy be OK? Would abortion be permissible? Would recognition of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic Host be optional?By my reading: "no", "no" and "probably."
To: danielmryan
Anglicans are a different case -- the CoE was a compromise church to pull in Catholics and reformed under the same umbrella.
by 2000 it was made up of 3 separate groups: the gay group (ECUSA), the reformed group (African Anglicans) and the Anglo-Catholic group.
The Anglo-Catholics are erstwhile "High CHurch" -- they are practically CAtholic in beliefs and practise. I went to an Anglo-Catholic mass for weeks when I first moved to Brighton until the penny dropped and I realised that though the mass was exactly the same, they didn't mention the Pope at the point when they prayed for the priest, bishop....
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posted on
12/31/2010 1:13:56 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
To: Mr. Lucky
Answers: no.no.no.
Yes, that's probably going to happen. I see no hope for the Lutheran Churches in Scandanavia or Germany. It's better for the LCMS or WELS to send across missionaries to them
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posted on
12/31/2010 1:16:06 AM PST
by
Cronos
(Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
To: danielmryan
OK — (whew) — I thought you meant they gave each other Communion, or something like that.
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posted on
12/31/2010 8:28:11 AM PST
by
Mrs. Don-o
(Mutatis mutandis.)
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