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Yes I do. A good tree produces good fruit and a bad tree bad fruit. If we are judging fruit by Theological correctness, then of course Mormons produce bad fruit, as do so many others. If we are judging by measure of kindness, compassion, neigborlyness, etc, that is a different question. Typically, a group of Mormons practice better morality, at least at face value, than any other group that I have encountered. Mormon neighborhoods, from what I have heard, have less crime etc. That is why I made the statement about home values.

So, what is the bad fruit that Mormons are producing? Well, Mormonism I guess. But for such an egregious departure from orthodox Christianity, there is something odd in the paradox of better morality associated with false doctrine. Again, and at risk for being flamed again, if I was shopping for a home, and could only know one thing about the neigborhood, I would ask the real estate agent...where do the mormons live?

Christ change my life and changed me also. I dabbled in many different beliefs before becoming a Christian, and I learned from all of them, each was actually a step toward Christ. Recognizing this, I tread lightly on those who appear to be taking the same steps and try to bring them into Christianity not by condemning those beliefs but by affirming Christianity. If I have contributed in any way toward bringing anyone to Christ then my life will have not been in vain. If I contribute in any way to cause others to run from Christ who are almost there, God help me.

What got me out of Mormonism was people who confronted my beliefs, told me I was wrong, showed me context of the Bible and asked me questions. Those Christians who ‘treaded lightly’ i thought were nice people but I had ZERO respect for them (as a Mormon)because I saw them as not having enough faith to tell me the truth, they would rather I liked them.

And for awhile I did hate those who confronted me (a Christian bookstore owner in Provo being one of them), but after I came to Christ I saw that if it hadn’t of been for them, I would still be Mormon.

If my method doesn’t work with someone then God will place someone else in their path. I have no fear of running people off of Christ, since He is more powerful than i could ever be.

And FWIW, I spend a lot of time in prayer before and during posting to the LDS. I do this out of love there is not hatred here other than the hatred spewed at us by Mormons and some who claim to be Christians, and a few atheists.

If I contribute in any way to cause others to run from Christ who are almost there, God help me.

2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Titus 2:1
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

Typically, a group of Mormons practice better morality, at least at face value, than any other group that I have encountered.

Therein lies the truth. Face value. In my experience, having been born and reared a mormon, underneath they are no better or worse than any other group of people. They are obeying the admonition from their leaders, "Every member a missionary".

If you were to spend much time on the mormon threads at FR, you would see a very different "face".

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics --

-- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

-- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

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