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To: runninglips; Elsie; MHGinTN
Nowhere in the New Testament are we commanded to judge another religion. oly Spirit -- are actually called upon to "judge all things":
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:14-16)

IOW, Runninglips, we are called to do some fruit-testing...
* The apostle Paul also said: Test all things, hold fast to that which is good (1 Thess. 5:21).
* The apostle John said: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

So, if you are in Christ, do you, or do you not, elect elect to apply your Christian calling of 1 Cor. 2:14-16?

Please evaluate the two statements below by Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie...and tell us in what ways they are...
...lies or not lies...
...falsehoods and deceptions or truth...
...misstatements or on the mark...
...slanderous or not

Other examples of how Mormon leaders lie:

(1) “…the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12-13)

I'll even "help you out" on this one Runninglips...since you proclaim yourself an eyewitness expert of Mormon character...please read this above quote -- and then read the following...and tell us if you think this Lds "apostle" was telling the truth or lying when he claimed the "Book of Mormon remains...unchanged..."?

1. CONTENTS. An estimated 17,000+ words (26+ pages) of that material are either verbatim quotations of the Bible, or advance revelations of what would be written later, all in 1611 King James wording....5. GRAMMAR. A check of the 1830 version reveals grammar problems on virtually every page of the book. Over 4,000 changes have been made to the book since that printing (Mormonism, Shadow or Reality, pp. 89-93). Some spelling problems are found, and some word mix-ups as well, such as "mouldering" for molding, "wrecked" for racked, "constrain" for restrain, and "arrested" for wrested. The ONLY parts of the book free from such errors are the parts which parallel the King James Version word for word. Yet it is claimed the book was translated "by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost." The Bible manuscripts, by comparison, were (also) written by some unlearned men (Peter, James, John), yet the grammar and spelling in our oldest manuscripts are of the highest quality.
Source: Facts & Feelings: Evaluating the Book of Mormon

Well, I guess that shows Joseph Smith knew how to "cut & paste" back in his day, too...probably literally...'cause NONE of the over 4,000 changes in today's Book of Mormon vs. the original 1830 Book of Mormon involve the estimated 17,000+ words that "happened" to be both written in King James English and "happened" to be verbatim quotes from the KJV Bible...now what's the odds of that? What's the odds that this book as it was "translated 'by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost" getting 100% of the King James quotations or supposed 'prophetic' quotations right...but messing up over 4,000 times on the rest of the content?

(2) "For instance: The creeds of apostate Christendom teach untruths about God, and the scriptures say that those who accept these creeds 'have inherited lies.' (Jer. 16:16-21.) Those who accept any of the doctrines of the apostate churches are said to 'believe a lie.' (2 Thess. 2:1-12.) The process of apostasy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie.'" (LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p. 440).

Now I can understand if you might want to label this a "different kind" of lie than #1 above...tell us, though...when McConkie labels the creeds of your faith which you have passed on, I'm sure to somebody, as resulting in you "teach[ing] untruths"...is that a..
...True or false statement?
...An accurate or deceptive statement?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)

McConkie says you have "believed a lie." Is that...
...True or false?
...Accurate or deceptive?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)

McConkie says your "apostacy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie" Is that...
...True or false?
...Accurate or deceptive?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)

Please let us know if all those questions are just open "up-for-grabs" issues on which even you have trouble weighing in...Thanks!

There are people on this Earth that have had their eyes and ears sealed shut, to protect them. Mormons may be a part of that group. [runninglips]

You know, I originally posted a slight variation of the above Nov. 11. In that post, I closed with this graph:

Ah, the irony of it all: They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. (2 Thess. 2:10-11)

Since you mentioned it in your closer, the double irony of it!

311 posted on 12/27/2010 1:25:58 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Colofornian

There you go again: trying to use FACTS with folks who RELY upon their FEELINGS.


321 posted on 12/27/2010 1:48:16 PM PST by Elsie
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