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To: DelphiUser
But you are so much of your father that you proclaim the following from your false prophet should define God ... go figure! ...

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

Since you proclaim yourself an LDS scholar, why don't you show us in The Bible where these assertions from your false prophet are substantiated! And while you're at it, show us where Joseph Smith avoids the curse on those who add to the Book of the Revelation, as Joey did with his 'JST of the King James Bible', into King James English.

And while we're at it, why don't you verify these assertions from your LDS Jedediah Grant:

"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346).

And perhaps your level of your father's wisdom has now exceeded Orson Pratt's, so you might explain the following quote from ol' Orson:

"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).

The god of Mormonism and the jesus of Mormonism are not the God and Jesus of Christianity. You can spin and lie and twist until you look like the pretzel your father enjoys doodling with, but you cannot refute the quotes from your own religion's founders. Mormonism is not Christian and every time you assert that you worship the Jesus of the Bible, yet you do not reject the blasphemies of your founders, you are duplicitous, to put it mildly.

168 posted on 12/27/2010 7:26:51 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; Religion Moderator
Speaking of duplicitous, you know the JOD is not cannon of the church. I don't propose to defend ever word spoken in every meeting by everyone who has ever spoken in church. I will state that I don't have to do that.

Polygamy, really? your down to that so soon? We have not practiced polygamy in over a hundred years, are you going to bring up the KKK to baptists as it it's relevant now? the inquisition to the Catholics? Really?

I just got to a computer, so now I can quote

The god of Mormonism and the jesus of Mormonism are not the God and Jesus of Christianity.

Yes, it is. That is kind of what this thread is all about, you are again guilty of Begging the question.

You can spin and lie and twist until you look like the pretzel your father enjoys doodling with, but you cannot refute the quotes from your own religion's founders.

RM, I believe that calling another poster a liar is not allowed...

Mormonism is not Christian and every time you assert that you worship the Jesus of the Bible, yet you do not reject the blasphemies of your founders, you are duplicitous, to put it mildly.

I reject your definition of Christianity just as I believe Jesus would. Your assertion that you can judge for Christ who is his is not in keeping with the Bible, which teaches men not to judge each other.

Been round and round with you on this before, we are never going to agree because you will not abide sound doctrine. you seem to run for the corner and read obscure tomes and want to debate them. Have fun, but I'm not going to join you in the corner.

God bless Delph
191 posted on 12/27/2010 8:12:44 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: MHGinTN

I see that you’ve already started!


246 posted on 12/27/2010 11:28:21 AM PST by Elsie
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