Posted on 12/26/2010 5:29:46 PM PST by Colofornian
But we humans NEED silly now and then; just to stay balanced.
[Why don’t MORMONs (the big bunch based in SLC) ever try to get all of THEIR ‘separated brethen’ back under the big tent?]
We ARE called to JUDGE a 'religion' that makes the claim that they are they SAME as us; BETTER even.
(Have you read the list of verses I've posted on FALSE TEACHINGS?)
And we have actual ex-Mormons at FR who have come out of the false religion of Smithian fabrication, so it is not at all impossible for God's Holy Spirit to prick the hearts through exposure of the blasphemies and heresies in Mormonism claiming to be restored christianity.
Really, if these discussions make you uncomfortable, you really shouldn't subject your spriit to the stress. even the Mormons use the old comparative 'milk before meat'. The insults some of us endure from Mormons spewing hate topped with 'god bless' don't bite near as bad as the admonishment from some claiming to be fellow Christians who don't like open opposition to the blasphemies and heresies in Mormonism. Some even go so far as to assert that the Bible or Jesus do not teach us to oppose the heresies and blasphemies ...
You say: “ There aren’t many gods. “
Psalms 82:6
http://kingjbible.com/psalms/82.htm
6. I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. “
Jesus remarked: “33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
“
http://www.learnthebible.org/bible/3/JHN/10/34
So mnay things plainly written in the BIBLE that are skipped over and ignored as inconvenient to the power structures of man.
For example, who say you was the leader of Jesus’s followers after the Crucifixion? Many say Peter. But it wasn’t. And the actual leader, and many subsequent leaders after him, is so named in the BIBLE - for he who has eyes to see. (Clue - he was a wealthy HIgh Priest of the Temple, and lineal heir.)
Was Jesus a carpenter, son of a carpenter? Or was the Greek word “tecton” to mean “carpenter” a mistranslation. - “tecton” (in Mark) or “tekton” (in Mathew) is more aptly translated into a word describing a “contractor”; specifically, contracting as a “builder.
He and Joseph most likely worked in stone - and in building the nearby Roman city of white marble, Sepphoris, - a mosty Greek speaking hub of commerce and that could be seen from Nazareth - a ‘Shining City on a hill” .
(Of course, as an adult, Jesus became a Rabbi and so remained.)
I get it.
this MOTIVE of this whole thread was posted and is aimed at attack and deception.
Can you or anyone else name ONE TIME in the history of FR that any Mormon has posted - ONCE, let alone with the regularity of these LDS bashing ones - a thread meant for the denigration/refutation of ANY other religion?
Christian is a Christian does...
The vitriol allowed on these Mormon-hater threads is astonishing - and I see no objections nor warnings to them - indicating acquiescence?
Curious. well, on second thought, not...
Oh, your god is polytheistic too - with all that council of god and their father god having gods et al.
Prove to me that it existed 300 years before. You've tried. You can't.
Theophilus AD 180 referred using the word trias, Tertullian used the term in AD 215. Trinitarian formulas recognized in the didache as well as the NT. So for starters- it was not 'created' in 325, but existed by name/description for nearly 200 years. Include the NT trinitarian creeds and teachings make nearly 300 years. But then mormons would deny the nose on their face in an attempt to prove Christianity wrong.
Gee whiz DU I am confused, didn't you one tell me Mormonism wasn't polytheistic, even giving me/us the definition from Websters that told us Polytheism is the worship of OR belief in more than one god.
Or did you take that back (ignore) it after I showed you other Mormons who were proudly telling us there were gods o’ plenty.
It is hard to keep track...
Gee whiz DU I am confused, didn't you one tell me Mormonism wasn't polytheistic, even giving me/us the definition from Websters that told us Polytheism is the worship of OR belief in more than one god.
Or did you take that back (ignore) it after I showed you other Mormons who were proudly telling us there were gods o’ plenty.
It is hard to keep track...
IOW, Runninglips, we are called to do some fruit-testing...
* The apostle Paul also said: Test all things, hold fast to that which is good (1 Thess. 5:21).
* The apostle John said: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)
So, if you are in Christ, do you, or do you not, elect elect to apply your Christian calling of 1 Cor. 2:14-16?
Please evaluate the two statements below by Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie...and tell us in what ways they are...
...lies or not lies...
...falsehoods and deceptions or truth...
...misstatements or on the mark...
...slanderous or not
Other examples of how Mormon leaders lie:
(1) “…the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable (Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12-13)
I'll even "help you out" on this one Runninglips...since you proclaim yourself an eyewitness expert of Mormon character...please read this above quote -- and then read the following...and tell us if you think this Lds "apostle" was telling the truth or lying when he claimed the "Book of Mormon remains...unchanged..."?
1. CONTENTS. An estimated 17,000+ words (26+ pages) of that material are either verbatim quotations of the Bible, or advance revelations of what would be written later, all in 1611 King James wording....5. GRAMMAR. A check of the 1830 version reveals grammar problems on virtually every page of the book. Over 4,000 changes have been made to the book since that printing (Mormonism, Shadow or Reality, pp. 89-93). Some spelling problems are found, and some word mix-ups as well, such as "mouldering" for molding, "wrecked" for racked, "constrain" for restrain, and "arrested" for wrested. The ONLY parts of the book free from such errors are the parts which parallel the King James Version word for word. Yet it is claimed the book was translated "by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost." The Bible manuscripts, by comparison, were (also) written by some unlearned men (Peter, James, John), yet the grammar and spelling in our oldest manuscripts are of the highest quality.
Source: Facts & Feelings: Evaluating the Book of Mormon
Well, I guess that shows Joseph Smith knew how to "cut & paste" back in his day, too...probably literally...'cause NONE of the over 4,000 changes in today's Book of Mormon vs. the original 1830 Book of Mormon involve the estimated 17,000+ words that "happened" to be both written in King James English and "happened" to be verbatim quotes from the KJV Bible...now what's the odds of that? What's the odds that this book as it was "translated 'by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost" getting 100% of the King James quotations or supposed 'prophetic' quotations right...but messing up over 4,000 times on the rest of the content?
(2) "For instance: The creeds of apostate Christendom teach untruths about God, and the scriptures say that those who accept these creeds 'have inherited lies.' (Jer. 16:16-21.) Those who accept any of the doctrines of the apostate churches are said to 'believe a lie.' (2 Thess. 2:1-12.) The process of apostasy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie.'" (LDS "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p. 440).
Now I can understand if you might want to label this a "different kind" of lie than #1 above...tell us, though...when McConkie labels the creeds of your faith which you have passed on, I'm sure to somebody, as resulting in you "teach[ing] untruths"...is that a..
...True or false statement?
...An accurate or deceptive statement?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)
McConkie says you have "believed a lie." Is that...
...True or false?
...Accurate or deceptive?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)
McConkie says your "apostacy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie" Is that...
...True or false?
...Accurate or deceptive?
...Truth or a lie?
...I mean McConkie claims to have the knowledge power to know these things about YOU! (How does he know YOU & all other Christians?)
Please let us know if all those questions are just open "up-for-grabs" issues on which even you have trouble weighing in...Thanks!
There are people on this Earth that have had their eyes and ears sealed shut, to protect them. Mormons may be a part of that group. [runninglips]
You know, I originally posted a slight variation of the above Nov. 11. In that post, I closed with this graph:
Ah, the irony of it all: They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. (2 Thess. 2:10-11)
Since you mentioned it in your closer, the double irony of it!
Read the context of these passages, Momron. The word ‘gods’ doesn’t refer to competitors with YHWH like you’re trying blasphemously to infer. The reference in Tanakh is to men who were magistrates over the people. Typical! And you non-Christians wonder why we keep exposing the heresies and blasphemies at the heart of Momronism!
Or is it by the LDS “Victim hood Policy” the definition of Vitriol rewritten to mean posting and questioning of LDS doctrine.
Guess it is fitting, the LDS rewrote the definition of Christ himself so little English words should be no problem...
Surely, you can refute the BIBLE and Jesus in your omnipotence?
You want to play at scholar, explain for us the origins of the name ‘Lucifer’ and your false peepstone predator’s use of that name in the faux book of abraham Momron scriptures. ... How honest are you prepared to be, Mormon?
Surely, you can refute the BIBLE and Jesus in your omnipotence?
maine (great state!)
you wrote that Psalm 82 teaches there are God’s outside God Himself. Not so.
In regards to Psalm 82... from my friend Tom Constable
“The human judges in Israel served as God’s judicial representatives among His people. The Hebrew word translated “rulers” (NASB) or “gods” (NIV) is elohim (lit. strong ones). This word usually describes God in the Old Testament, but sometimes it refers to the strong ones in Israel, namely the human rulers or authorities (cf. 45:6; Exod. 21:6; 22:8–9). It does not refer to angels here (cf. Eph. 6:12) as the Syriac translators thought. This is clear from the context. It does not refer to the gods of the heathen either (cf. 1 Cor. 10:20).”
Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable’s Expository Notes on the Bible (Ps 82:1).
Skipped over?
There seems to be a LOT of ASSUMPTIONS in your post here...
Do you think Mitt Romney will make a good President?
maine -
the citation from Psalms the term “god” is given as a title to human judges - true ‘gods’ cannot DIE LIKE MEN.
Jesus in referencing that passage was making it part of his argument that based upon the proofs and miracles he’s conducted HE could qualify for the title as Son of God.
Read it with open eyes.
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