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John MacArthur on Mariolatry
Church Mouse ^ | November 18, 2010

Posted on 12/18/2010 6:01:48 PM PST by Gamecock

It seems as if there might be a sizable number of Christians who are unaware of the text of Jeremiah, particularly Jeremiah 44, which discusses a goddess called … the Queen of Heaven.

John MacArthur uses Jeremiah 44 as his text to introduce two sermons on Mary in Catholic Church dogma. These date from 2006.

The links to the full text are at the bottom of the post. I’ll provide excerpts, indented below, which will give many of us food for thought. Emphases mine throughout.

On Jeremiah 44

God condemns apostate Judah for worshipping this goddess of paganism called the Queen of Heaven that has had a number of different names throughout history. The latest name for this goddess, sad to say, is a name borrowed from the earthly mother of our Lord, none other than Mary who has now been morphed by apostate Christianity into the latest edition of the Queen of Heaven. Is it important to address this issue? It is … [In] Timothy 1:3, Paul says, “I urge you that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor pay attention to myths and endless genealogies which give rise to mere speculation, rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.”

Christian obligation to point out error

It’s important to say at the outset that this is not because we are mad or hateful or resentful, but it is love from a pure heart. If you do not address error, if you do not address strange doctrine, damning heresy, this is not love, this is indifference. Love from a pure heart and a clear conscience and a sincere faith demands such a confrontation. And so we come to address this same age-old goddess heresy of paganism in its newest form with the modern goddess having stolen the name of Mary, a terrible dishonor to her. But there is nothing sacred to Satan anyway. And to address it is not a lack of love, but is the sincerest, purest kind of love rising out of a good conscience and a sincere faith.

It does make one wonder why the Catholic Church would refer to Mary in this way. Yet, Jeremiah 44 refers specifically to the Queen of Heaven in an idolatrous context. Here are verses 18 and 19:

18But since we left off making offerings to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” 19And the women said, “When we made offerings to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands’ approval that we made cakes for her bearing her image and poured out drink offerings to her?”

Much of the text concerns St Alphonsus Liguori‘s The Glories of Mary, a 750-page work first published in 1745 in response to the 17th century Catholic heresy of Jansenism, which originated in the Netherlands, became popular in Paris and, in many ways, bears a close resemblance to Calvinism. Francophones may recall that the philosopher Blaise Pascal and the playwright Jean Racine (for a time) were Jansenists.

I have linked to an 1888 online version of the book above so that you can peruse the text yourselves. An eye-opener, to say the least. MacArthur has read it cover to cover. We didn’t study this book at school, I hasten to add. I never even knew it existed until this week. But then, I do recall one of the nuns telling my mother that there is much about the Catholic Church which would not be included in religion classes. My mother, mentioning Vatican II, said, ‘That’s a relief.’ Sister replied, ‘Oh, no, it’s not so much Vatican II as it is other texts.’ Could she have meant this one?

Unbiblical

MacArthur says that Mariology is unbiblical, much as the Book of Mormon and Christian Science’s Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures. What his sermons show us is the importance of being biblically literate — every book of the Bible. You will wonder how it is that Mary, not only bearing the appellation of a pagan goddess but having so many thousands, probably millions, of words written about her through the centuries is mentioned so seldom in the New Testament. That last one surprised me greatly when I was a teenager, and I suspect many Catholics would be similarly surprised should they read the gospels and epistles.

How could so many details be obtained about her life, from childhood to death? MacArthur reads excerpts from the Glories of Mary and papal documents from latter days to his congregation. You can find them in the sermon text. They are amazing.

Mythical

MacArthur tells us how Mariology began. Many will find this startling, although it ties in with what Dr Gregory Jackson, a Lutheran professor, said on Ichabod and reproduced here:

Now this idea about Mary, though it really wasn’t formally dogmatized until the twentieth century goes way, way back and you start to read about this in the fifth century as paganism and pagan goddess worship at the very earliest gets mingled. Remember the Holy Roman Empire, as it was called, the Holy Roman Empire was really not holy, it was Roman, for sure, but the emperor in the 325 decided that the best thing to do to unify the great empire was to make everybody automatically a Christian. And since the emperor was rife with paganism, they just married a kind of Christianity with paganism and all of this came very early. So it’s in the rule of somebody who calls himself Galacius(?) I, a self-appointed leader of the church in the fifth century, this comes up at that time. There’s a discussion about Mary being assumed into heaven. So already this goddess cult has imposed itself on poor Mary. And it was at first considered heretical. There was no evidence for it historically, there’s no evidence for it biblically, obviously. So the earliest appearance of this idea is in a very apocryphal work, an unreliable work like the gospel of Judas and hundreds of others. It was called Transitus Getti Marii (???) and it was in the fifth century it was denounced as a heresy. So when it first showed up in the fifth century, the 400′s, it is denounced as a heresy. But things began to develop over the years in regard to Mary. Praying to Mary arrives in 600

A transitus is a service recalling a saint’s death and begins the eve of his feast day. Presumably in Mary’s case, the work mentioned involved the Assumption.

It should be mentioned that John MacArthur has nothing against Mary, just the hype and apparent falsehood built up around her life and death.

‘Mother of God’

MacArthur traces the origins of this title to Alexander, the 4th century Bishop of Alexandria:

Goddess worship, the very outset, the Holy Roman Empire comes into existence in the fourth century, early in the century. This mother of God comes in rapidly by the year 431 and the Council of Ephesus and 451, The Council of Chalcedon, this is established. She is to be called the mother of God, this contributes to centuries and centuries and centuries of accumulated deification of Mary. She becomes equal to God. And though the Church tries its best to wiggle out of this, it tries its best to deny this, the truth of the matter is, she really is superior to God and superior to Christ as becomes very evident in what they say and in how they portray her in cathedrals all over the world. She rules in heaven as queen, sovereign, saving, sanctifying, sympathizing, all this power is given to her that belongs only to God.

Apparitions and their nature

Like many of us, MacArthur wonders how the number of Marian apparitions can be increasing in frequency. I should like to mention here for the benefit of my Protestant readers that it used to be that the Church viewed these with scepticism and was very careful to investigate them thoroughly. Most investigations went no higher than local or diocesan level. Very few were authenticated.

Mary keeps appearing. Have you noticed? She keeps appearing. She descends from heaven to earth to make herself known to people. She comes quite frequently. She always comes with secret messages. She comes with secret messages for very isolated people

The latest Pope, Pope Benedict XVI … said this, noted this, “In 1984 Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, the head of the Roman Catholic Church’s congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,” that was where he came from, he came from being the doctrinal gate keeper of Roman Catholicism, “declared … : ‘One of the signs of our times is that the announcements of Mary in apparitions are multiplying all over the world,’” … He made this observation as a comment on the many reports of the appearances of the Blessed Virgin Mary to individuals located in a wide variety of countries, cultures and political systems. In fact, the last century and a half has seen numerous appearance of the Blessed Virgin, they say, and they have received official approval by the Roman Catholic Church …

A book in 1993 had about a thousand appearances of Mary that were documented thirty times in the eighteenth century, 200 times in the nineteenth century and 450 times in the twentieth century. So they are escalating at a rapid rate. Cardinal Meisner claims that Mary brought Christ to Europe from Fatima and one would ask where was he before that if she brought him? She visited a farm in Georgia, an office building in Clearwater, Florida, and a subway wall recently in Mexico City. She comes so often and she comes to the down and out and she comes to the little children, she comes to the peasant people and this validates the fact that she is this loving, sympathetic, merciful, tender-hearted compassionate person

The only person if there is someone really appearing to them is right out of hell. This is demonic, for sure….for sure. But what assurances and what cleverness the demons offer for the deceived and the damned with their hellish counterfeits.

‘Mediatrix’

MacArthur quotes from the aforementioned documents, including Liguori’s book, as well as from the latest Catholic catechism from the 1990s — published during John Paul II’s papacy. No wonder so many of these notions — ‘New Eve’, ‘New Ark of the Covenant’ and ‘Co-Mediatrix’ — are so alien to me. When you read the quotes he uses, take note of the word ‘sovereign’ used in connection with Mary. He then offers the commentary below, based on what he reads to the congregation:

The point is, you go to Mary because Jesus can’t resist Mary. And Mary, because she’s so merciful, can’t resist you. Mary, claims the Church, can persuade God to grant what He otherwise wouldn’t grant …

You’re really banging on steel if you go to God yourself. Go to Mary and He listens to Mary

You see, Roman Catholicism is pagan goddess worship, completely distracted. God is reinvented as judgmental, harsh. Christ is reinvented as indifferent. Everybody worships Mary …

She commands Jesus.

John Paul II

MacArthur tells us of the importance that Mary played in the late pope’s life from his childhood through to his papacy. He reads the congregation excerpts from some of John Paul II’s Marian thoughts and says:

Now that…that’s a pretty bold statement. She is not only the mediatrix of all grace, the channel through which all grace comes, the one to whom we go for everything, but she is even involved in our redemption

Now I could go on and on with all of this, but I think you get the picture. The Church says nothing comes to us except through Mary’s mediation for such is God’s will. The Church says Mary is the most powerful mediatrix and advocate of the whole world with her divine Son.


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To: Natural Law

Setting up a protective wall around one’s beliefs by treating any and all disagreement as “anti-” when in fact it is most often pro-Biblical, is not a very constructive approach, in my opinion.

Are there individuals in the world who detest all things Roman Catholic merely because they’re Roman Catholic? Certainly. We’ve seen it in Ireland in more recent times, and in others going back through the centuries. Are there actually FReepers posting to this forum, who are? Possibly a few, but it’s a long, long way from predominating.

Speaking for myself, I don’t hate Catholics. I have many for friends and business associates, and a few who married into the family.

Do I hate the Roman Catholic Church? No to that as well, although she has seriously erred in recent times, just as surely as she did leading up to the Reformation, the resulting disunity of which would have been entirely unnecessary had it not been for arrogant dismissal, followed by, yes, setting up a protective wall by treating any and all disagreement as “anti-” when in fact it is most often pro-Biblical.

I’ve known Catholics who quietly and privately admit gratitude for the Reformation. We’ve done you good, and continue to do so, via honest and sound, Biblically based constructive criticism.


61 posted on 12/18/2010 9:23:06 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Gamecock; Molly K.; Not gonna take it anymore; Celtic Cross; shurwouldluv_a_smallergov; ...

Gen. 3:15 - we see from the very beginning that God gives Mary a unique role in salvation history. God says “I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed.” This refers to Jesus (the “emnity”) and Mary (the “woman”). The phrase “her seed” (spermatos) is not seen elsewhere in Scripture.

Gen 3:15 / Rev. 12:1 - the Scriptures begin and end with the woman battling satan. This points to the power of the woman with the seed and teaches us that Jesus and Mary are the new Adam and the new Eve.

John 2:4, 19:26 - Jesus calls Mary “woman” as she is called in Gen. 3:15. Just as Eve was the mother of the old creation, Mary is the mother of the new creation. This woman’s seed will crush the serpent’s skull.

Isaiah 7:14; Matt. 1:23 - a virgin (the Greek word used is “parthenos”) will bear a Son named Emmanuel, which means “God is with us.” John 1:14 - God in flesh dwelt among us. Mary is the Virgin Mother of God.

Matt. 2:11 - Luke emphasizes Jesus is with Mary His Mother, and the magi fall down before both of them, worshiping Jesus.

Luke 1:35 - the child will be called holy, the Son of God. Mary is the Mother of the Son of God, or the Mother of God (the “Theotokos”).

Luke 1:28 - “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.” These are the words spoken by God and delivered to us by the angel Gabriel (who is a messenger of God). Thus, when Catholics recite this verse while praying the Rosary, they are uttering the words of God.

Luke 1:28 - also, the phrase “full of grace” is translated from the Greek word “kecharitomene.” This is a unique title given to Mary, and suggests a perfection of grace from a past event. Mary is not just “highly favored.” She has been perfected in grace by God. “Full of grace” is only used to describe one other person - Jesus Christ in John 1:14.

Luke 1:38 - Mary’s fiat is “let it be done to me according to thy word.” Mary is the perfect model of faith in God, and is worthy of our veneration.

Luke 1:42 - “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.” The phrase “blessed are you among women” really means “you are most blessed of all women.” A circumlocution is used because there is no superlative in the Greek language. Note also that Elizabeth praises Mary first, and then Jesus. This is hyperdulia (but not latria which is worship owed to God alone). We too can go through Mary to praise Jesus. Finally, Catholics repeat these divinely inspired words of Elizabeth in the Rosary.

Luke 1:43 - Elizabeth’s use of “Mother of my Lord” (in Hebrew, Elizabeth used “Adonai” which means Lord God) is the equivalent of “Holy Mary, Mother of God” which Catholics pray in the Rosary. The formula is simple: Jesus is a divine person, and this person is God. Mary is Jesus’ Mother, so Mary is the mother of God (Mary is not just the Mother of Jesus’ human nature - mothers are mothers of persons, not natures).

Luke 1:44 - Mary’s voice causes John the Baptist to leap for joy in Elizabeth’s womb. Luke is teaching us that Mary is our powerful intercessor.

Luke 1:46 - Mary claims that her soul magnifies the Lord. This is a bold statement from a young Jewish girl from Nazareth. Her statement is a strong testimony to her uniqueness. Mary, as our Mother and intercessor, also magnifies our prayers.

Luke 1:48 - Mary prophesies that all generations shall call her blessed, as Catholics do in the “Hail Mary” prayer. What Protestant churches have existed in all generations (none), and how many of them call Mary blessed with special prayers and devotions?

Gal. 4:4 - God sent His Son, born of a woman, to redeem us. Mary is the woman with the redeemer. By calling Mary co-redemptrix, we are simply calling Mary “the woman with the redeemer.” This is because “co” is from the Latin word “cum” which means “with.” Therefore, “co-redemptrix” means “woman with the redeemer.” Mary had a unique but subordinate role to Jesus in salvation.

Eph. 1:1; Phil. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - the word “saints” (in Hebrew “qaddiysh”) means “holy” ones. So Mary is called Holy, the greatest Saint of all.

Luke 2:35 - Simeon prophesies that a sword would also pierce Mary’s soul. Mary thus plays a very important role in our redemption. While Jesus’ suffering was all that we needed for redemption, God desired Mary to participate on a subordinate level in her Son’s suffering, just as he allows us to participate through our own sufferings.

Luke 2:19,51 - Mary kept in mind all these things as she pondered them in her heart. Catholics remember this by devoting themselves to Mary’s Immaculate Heart and all the treasures and wisdom and knowledge contained therein.


62 posted on 12/18/2010 9:26:25 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses

WOW your Bible predates Moses.


63 posted on 12/18/2010 9:33:29 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: narses

What impresses me is the Angelic Salutation itself. An archangel, Gabriel, is pictured as BOWING to Mary...giving deference, respect. ....

In the OT, it is reversed. When an angel appears, it strikes terror or is all about judgment...ask sennacherib’s army (185,000 men) or the punishment of David when 70,000 children of Israel were slain by an Angel over 3 days for his sin of numbering the people.

Yet, Mary receives obeisance from this superior being (we are made ‘a little lower’ than the angels, remember) ...

Mary is special, she is our mother, she mediates graces for us...She is the new Eve...Hail Mary full of grace !


64 posted on 12/18/2010 9:35:29 PM PST by Tribemike1
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To: Tribemike1

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


65 posted on 12/18/2010 9:36:24 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Fred Hayek

Don’t forget Poitiers (or Tours, if you prefer) in 732 A.D.

Without the CATHOLIC Charles Martel, we’d all be speaking Arabic tonight on this forum.

http://www.freedomszone.com/archives/2006/10/charles_martel_and_the_battle_1.php


66 posted on 12/18/2010 9:38:55 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"I’ve known Catholics who quietly and privately admit gratitude for the Reformation."

I do not hate the Reformation either. In some ways it accelerated changes already afoot. By far, the vast of Protestants I know are very fine, Christian people. I do thing the anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some.

I do not begrudge Protestants worshiping differently than I do or even discussing those differences. What I cannot tolerate are those who, with no training or education, make false claims and assertions about what the Catholics do and do not believe and then argue when they are corrected by Catholics.

67 posted on 12/18/2010 9:55:56 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Gamecock

Throw a rock over a fence and the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.


68 posted on 12/18/2010 10:08:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gamecock

Mary is not Astarte or anything like her. I know that MacArthur identifies with the ancient Hebrews, but one does not find temple prostitutes in any Marian shrine. he’s just rehashing some John Knox sermons.


69 posted on 12/18/2010 10:15:33 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Both sides used politicians to defend their causes. Both Zwingli and Calvin exercised political power. Luther would not have survived except it was expedient for his sovereign—the Elector—to protect him. Germany divided into pro-and anti-Luther in order to keep the Emperor Charles from uniting the country under his rule. Religious questions were confused with political causes and with the Religious Wars in France, a century of slaughter began, to the final disgrace of both parties.


70 posted on 12/18/2010 10:21:45 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Gamecock
I reckon he gets just a wee bit too close to the truth.

No, McArthur is just an example of someone who is really offensive and obnoxious and completely full of malarkey at the same time.

It's not at all uncommon. Consider, for example, Keith Olbermann ...

71 posted on 12/18/2010 10:24:56 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

Martin Luther:

Mary the Mother of God

Throughout his life Luther maintained without change the historic Christian affirmation that Mary was the Mother of God:

“She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God.”

Perpetual Virginity

Again throughout his life Luther held that Mary’s perpetual virginity was an article of faith for all Christians - and interpreted Galatians 4:4 to mean that Christ was “born of a woman” alone.

“It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a Virgin.”

The Immaculate Conception

Yet again the Immaculate Conception was a doctrine Luther defended to his death (as confirmed by Lutheran scholars like Arthur Piepkorn). Like Augustine, Luther saw an unbreakable link between Mary’s divine maternity, perpetual virginity and Immaculate Conception. Although his formulation of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was not clear-cut, he held that her soul was devoid of sin from the beginning:

“But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, it is piously and suitably believed, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would at the same time be cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus, in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin...”

Assumption

Although he did not make it an article of faith, Luther said of the doctrine of the Assumption:

“There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know.”

Honor to Mary

Despite his unremitting criticism of the traditional doctrines of Marian mediation and intercession, to the end Luther continued to proclaim that Mary should be honored. He made it a point to preach on her feast days.

“The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.”

“Is Christ only to be adored? Or is the holy Mother of God rather not to be honoured? This is the woman who crushed the Serpent’s head. Hear us. For your Son denies you nothing.” Luther made this statement in his last sermon at Wittenberg in January 1546.

John Calvin:

It has been said that John Calvin belonged to the second generation of the Reformers and certainly his theology of double predestination governed his views on Marian and all other Christian doctrine . Although Calvin was not as profuse in his praise of Mary as Martin Luther he did not deny her perpetual virginity. The term he used most commonly in referring to Mary was “Holy Virgin”.

“Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God.”

“Helvidius has shown himself too ignorant, in saying that Mary had several sons, because mention is made in some passages of the brothers of Christ.” Calvin translated “brothers” in this context to mean cousins or relatives.

“It cannot be denied that God in choosing and destining Mary to be the Mother of his Son, granted her the highest honor.”

“To this day we cannot enjoy the blessing brought to us in Christ without thinking at the same time of that which God gave as adornment and honour to Mary, in willing her to be the mother of his only-begotten Son.”

Ulrich Zwingli:

“It was given to her what belongs to no creature, that in the flesh she should bring forth the Son of God.”

“I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin.” Zwingli used Exodus 4:22 to defend the doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity.

“I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary.”

“Christ ... was born of a most undefiled Virgin.”

“It was fitting that such a holy Son should have a holy Mother.”

“The more the honor and love of Christ increases among men, so much the esteem and honor given to Mary should grow.”


72 posted on 12/18/2010 10:27:03 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Ken522

Once again the councils of the Church got it wrong. There is no Nestorian heresy. Glad the modern day reformers could clear that up.


73 posted on 12/18/2010 10:28:36 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Yep, the Word has always been true. Always.


74 posted on 12/18/2010 10:30:02 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: RobbyS

Agreed. Above and beyond the Protestant states with their state religion, there were those within Roman Catholicism, which did the same.

The novelty of deliberately detaching the power of the state from matters of conscience regarding religious belief is largely taken for granted now, but it was genius born of hardship and persecution experienced by the people, both here in colonial times and in the various nations of their origin.

So, it can be said that some good came of it, ugly as it was.


75 posted on 12/18/2010 10:35:35 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Tribemike1

I wonder why so few of the anti Catholic rants posted have any basis in fact? It is telling because there could be an honest debate over doctrinal differences that are based on actual Catholic teaching and practice. I’ve seen it done in a civil but no quarter manner on certain religious blogs. If you have to resort to lies in order to advance your beliefs something is wrong.

I feel fortunate that most of the Reformed Protestants I know don’t use such tactics but debate charitably and honestly on matters of doctrine.


76 posted on 12/18/2010 10:36:27 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: narses
Yep, the Word has always been true. Always.

But what you quoted was NOT the WORD as in Genesis 3:15. Eve was the mother of all living (Christ is the tree of life eternal) in that she was the beginning of the lineage, even to Mary of Christ. Mary would not have been where she was appointed to be had it not been for Eve. Regardless of Eve's sin, Christ still came through her lineage. And if any or one is tainted by Eve's sin so would Mary...

It takes numerous 'new' cuts on Peter's keys to get to claiming Genesis 3:15 is speaking about Mary.

77 posted on 12/18/2010 10:41:12 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: RegulatorCountry

But that was unique to the United States. A lot of people think that religious toleration was a product of the Enlightenment. But among the Protestants of New England, it was the consequence of the First Great Awakening. By 1765, in Connecticut and to a degree in all New England, the people were no long divided between dissenters and Establishment, but between what came to be called “denominations.” During the Revolution, clergymen and physicians were the ‘professions” most consistently on the side of Congress. The lawyers were divided down the middle. John Witherspoon was very well-known and influencial (the ancestor of Reese Witherspoon, the actress, BTW), although seldom mentioned in the history books. My guess is the the Presbyterians were the most proWhig of all. The Scotch-Irish were particularly fierce.


78 posted on 12/18/2010 10:57:02 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: narses

This is worship of Mary if ever there was.....

Attributing to her the attributes of God is idolatry.

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Meditations-Mysteries-Rosary-Ferraro/dp/0819801577/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272938246&sr=1-2

And it carries the official sanctions of:

ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.

WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR

p.32
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .

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4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.

6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.

“Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary’s help, quickly slide toward hell.” —Richard of St Victor

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Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! —Partial Indulgence

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“Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast.” —Prov. 3:18

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1 - “Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!”

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6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, ‘that she might vanquish sin in every respect.’

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7 - “Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue.”

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. ‘No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.’

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4 - “Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.’
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5 - “She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought.”

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10 - “As Noah’s Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care.”

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8 - “If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between Him and us?”

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4 - “By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God.”

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And here is a pope’s idolatrous prayer to her, treating her as if she were God Himself.....

Prayer of Pope Pius XII
In Honor of the Immaculate Conception

http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm

Prayer of Pope Pius XII

Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.

O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!

O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.

Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.


79 posted on 12/18/2010 10:58:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lastchance

My, my. Much ado about Queen of Heaven.

Nothing pagan about this title for Mary. She is called the Queen of Heaven because her Son is the King of Israel and heavenly King of the Universe. In the Hebrew tradition, the mother of the king is the queen.


80 posted on 12/18/2010 10:58:27 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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