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First you accuse me of getting Cynical Bear’s statement wrong then you.

From what I can see, you are both making a distinction between original sin and sins committed. Apparently your definition of ‘sinless’ means that you can have original sin. Which is wrong.

Sinless means just that free from sins committed and free from original sin.

You have two choices. One denying that Christ was sinless or, accepting that Christ made Mary sinless. Those are the only choices. One is wrong because Christ was sinless. I suppose you could argue that Christ really wasn’t born of Mary, but that runs into other problems.

BTW, I raise this issue because Menno Simons struggled with it himself. His answer was to deny that Christ was born of Mary, because if Mary was a sinner than so was Christ. He understood why Mary had to be sinless, but rather than acknowledge that the Church was right, he chose to deny one of the core teachings of Christianity.

I know this is a tough question, this is one that took me about a year to work on. I’m telling you, the only way that works is if Mary is sinless.