Funny; I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, God Incarnate, The Word become flesh — the second person of the Godhead — I believe in the Triune God.
I also believe what the Bible (God’s Word) says about Jesus (The Word) being present with God in the beginning — John 1:1. Jesus, The Word made flesh, was born of Mary — she is his mother as she bore him in the flesh. But God the Son was, is, and will ever be, eternal; without beginning or end.
I don’t believe in a bunch of Roman Catholic Church hogwash.
So, Dr. E. nailed it for me despite what you may think (or not think) that I believe.
Hoss
THAT'S FALSE.
. . . BEARING FALSE WITNESS, ACTUALLY.
Believing that Jesus is genuinely God Incarnate has little to nothing to do with the inappropriateness of calling Mary, the Mother of God.
Y'all are bright enough to know that
MOTHER OF GOD
carrys a long list of implications with it.
THAT'S THE ONLY LOGICAL REASON I CAN SEE THAT JUSTIFIES WHY Y'ALL DO IT! Y'ALL SEEM TO RELISH THOSE IMPLICATIONS AND THE CONTRARINESS THEY STAND FOR VIS A VIS THE REST OF CHRISTENDOM.
Y'ALL SEEM TO RELISH THE FACT THAT ALL AND SUNDRY GET INJECTED WITH SUCH IMPLICATIONS EVERY TIME THEY HEAR OR READ THAT MARY IS THE PURPORTED MOTHER OF GOD.
Y'ALL SEEM TO RELISH THE FACT THAT EVERY MENTION OF THAT ELEVATES MARY TO HER PURPORTED "HYPOSTATIC UNION WITH THE TRINITY."
Y'ALL SCARF UP ON THAT BIG TIME AND !!!!DEMAND!!!! THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD JOIN IN SUCH BLASPHEMOUS IDOLTRY.
Oh, SURE, when pinned down, y'all quickly retreat into the farcical noise about how it's techincally true because Jesus is God etc. etc. yada yada yada.
When actually, that has nothing to do with it. Y'all know full well what MOTHER OF GOD IMPLIES and you seem to love forcing it down the world's throat in contrary rebellion against Scripture vis a vis not elevating mortals to God-like status.
It's all the worse given such Scriptures as:
From:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2644744/posts?page=143#143
To: narses
ok, tried to look for NT translations from the original Greek. I did find the following from
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/index2.htm
(another ‘bigoted’ source):
Latin Vulgate 6:3 nonne iste est faber filius Mariae frater Iacobi et Ioseph et Iudae et Simonis nonne et sorores eius hic nobiscum sunt et scandalizabantur in illo
King James Version 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
American Standard Version 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended in him.
Bible in Basic English 6:3 Is not this the woodworker, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were bitter against him.
Darby's English Translation 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended in him.
Douay Rheims 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? are not also his sisters here with us? And they were scandalized in regard of him.
Noah Webster Bible 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Weymouth New Testament 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, Mary's son, the brother of James and Joses, Jude and Simon? And do not his sisters live here among us?' So they turned angrily away.
World English Bible 6:3 Isn't this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?' They were offended by him.
Young's Literal Translation 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us?' -- and they were being stumbled at him.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2644744/posts?page=25
“. . . a self-appointed leader of the church in the fifth century, this comes up at that time. There’s a discussion about Mary being assumed into heaven. So already this goddess cult has imposed itself on poor Mary. And it was at first considered heretical. There was no evidence for it historically, there’s no evidence for it biblically, obviously. So the earliest appearance of this idea is in a very apocryphal work, an unreliable work like the gospel of Judas and hundreds of others. It was called Transitus Getti Marii (???) and it was in the fifth century it was denounced as a heresy. So when it first showed up in the fifth century, the 400′s, it is denounced as a heresy. But things began to develop over the years in regard to Mary. Praying to Mary arrives in 600…
‘Mother of God’
MacArthur traces the origins of this title to Alexander, the 4th century Bishop of Alexandria:
Goddess worship, the very outset, the Holy Roman Empire comes into existence in the fourth century, early in the century. This mother of God comes in rapidly by the year 431 and the Council of Ephesus and 451, The Council of Chalcedon, this is established. She is to be called the mother of God, this contributes to centuries and centuries and centuries of accumulated deification of Mary. She becomes equal to God. And though the Church tries its best to wiggle out of this, it tries its best to deny this, the truth of the matter is, she really is superior to God and superior to Christ as becomes very evident in what they say and in how they portray her in cathedrals all over the world. She rules in heaven as queen, sovereign, saving, sanctifying, sympathizing, all this power is given to her that belongs only to God.
A book in 1993 had about a thousand appearances of Mary that were documented thirty times in the eighteenth century, 200 times in the nineteenth century and 450 times in the twentieth century. So they are escalating at a rapid rate. Cardinal Meisner claims that Mary brought Christ to Europe from Fatima and one would ask where was he before that if she brought him? She visited a farm in Georgia, an office building in Clearwater, Florida, and a subway wall recently in Mexico City. She comes so often and she comes to the down and out and she comes to the little children, she comes to the peasant people and this validates the fact that she is this loving, sympathetic, merciful, tender-hearted compassionate person … The only person if there is someone really appearing to them is right out of hell. This is demonic, for sure….for sure. But what assurances and what cleverness the demons offer for the deceived and the damned with their hellish counterfeits.
The point is, you go to Mary because Jesus can’t resist Mary. And Mary, because she’s so merciful, can’t resist you. Mary, claims the Church, can persuade God to grant what He otherwise wouldn’t grant …
You’re really banging on steel if you go to God yourself. Go to Mary and He listens to Mary …
You see, Roman Catholicism is pagan goddess worship, completely distracted. God is reinvented as judgmental, harsh. Christ is reinvented as indifferent. Everybody worships Mary …
John Paul II MacArthur tells us of the importance that Mary played in the late pope’s life from his childhood through to his papacy. He reads the congregation excerpts from some of John Paul II’s Marian thoughts and says:
Now that…that’s a pretty bold statement. She is not only the mediatrix of all grace, the channel through which all grace comes, the one to whom we go for everything, but she is even involved in our redemption …
That of those
born of a woman
JOHN THE BAPTIST
WAS THE GREATEST ON EARTH.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold,(BR) his mother and his(BS) brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.[a] 48But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For(BT) whoever(BU) does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." ESV
Obedience Is Thicker than Blood 46-47While he was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers showed up. They were outside trying to get a message to him. Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are out here, wanting to speak with you." 48-50Jesus didn't respond directly, but said, "Who do you think my mother and brothers are?" He then stretched out his hand toward his disciples. "Look closely. These are my mother and brothers. Obedience is thicker than blood. The person who obeys my heavenly Father's will is my brother and sister and mother." THE MESSAGE
The True Family of Jesus 46 As Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 47 Someone told Jesus, “Your mother and your brothers are outside, and they want to speak to you.”[g] 48 Jesus asked, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” 49 Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look, these are my mother and brothers. 50 Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother!”--NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
. . . obviously, other than Christ Himself . . .
I guess y'all think Mary was hatched under a sacred rock--in Rome?
The end result - the salvation of God's people - would still be the same.
Roman Catholics' view of life is clouded by their untoward veneration of Jesus' mother. Christ goes so far as to tell us not to look to His mother as our family, but to His followers - those who believe in His name.
Mary is simply one of those most fortunate of human beings, a sinner saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ ALONE.
If venerating and praying to Mary were important or necessary, Christ would have told us so in the Bible. The apostles would have written about it.
None did.
Instead, fallen men add insult to injury as centuries pass and Christ fades as the goddess grows to celestial heights - "Queen of the Universe."
God forbid.