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To: Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; presently no screen name; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; ...
By using the term" "Mother of God" for Mary, a created being, the RCC gives the false impression that Mary preceded Christ which is insanity because the Triune God has no beginning and no ending.

This "giving of a false impression" is a product of your mind and your lack of familiarity with Catholic doctrine exacerbated by a certain philosophical obtuseness. Anyone with just the slightest bit of operational reason would know that someone who is the mother of God in time cannot be the origin of God's being before time or the world existed. Elizabeth called Mary the mother of her Lord--as a Jewish woman, the wife of a Jewish priest, both of whom were righteous in God's sight and who observed all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly, her Lord was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the creator of heaven and earth. She had no problem with her cousin Mary being the mother of her Lord. That's good enough for me.

I don't think Mary is a mediator. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man and the Holy Spirit in the believer's heart is the one who intercedes for him according to God's will. I don't think Mary is a co-redeemer. It's what Jesus did alone that is the basis for human redemption. I think both of those concepts, as I have heard them described, are just nuts.
1,461 posted on 12/21/2010 11:00:05 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan; Dr. Eckleburg

Catholic theology proclaims her “the firstborn of every creature”(Col 1:15) which once again is the title that belongs to Christ alone, not Mary.


1,462 posted on 12/21/2010 11:07:43 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: aruanan; Dr. Eckleburg
Elizabeth called Mary the mother of her Lord--as a Jewish woman, the wife of a Jewish priest, both of whom were righteous in God's sight and who observed all the Lord's commands and decrees blamelessly, her Lord was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the creator of heaven and earth.

Elizabeth KNEW the prophecy of a future Messiah coming. Wouldn't He have to be born first? Are you saying God needs to grow in wisdom? Jesus did because He was acting in another form - a flesh form, a human form.

She had no problem with her cousin Mary being the mother of her Lord. That's good enough for me.

And who Jesus said who His mother is - ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU? You take one Scripture and make a doctrine out of it.

I have said it over and over - JESUS isn't enough for the RCC, they want more. Just like the 'works' mentality for salvation - the Blood of JESUS isn't enough. WHO would want Jesus not to be enough? Who tempted Him, Who was after The Word from the beginning? That's where this deception comes from. And why? to ROB Jesus of those He died for. Satan comes to kill/rob/destroy. And The RCC is his pawn.

IMO, being anyway involved in deceptive teachings must do something to the ability to think for themselves in that area where they were deceived. Like a link to reasoning has dissolved. Deception is destructive as the Word states - perhaps, more than some realize - but they don't take The Word seriously enough to 'get it'. And I SPEAK from experience. Until one washes themselves in Truth and renew their 'deceptive' mind/teaching can that deception be erased. Thank YOU, Jesus!
1,468 posted on 12/21/2010 11:39:58 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: aruanan; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
This "giving of a false impression" is a product of your mind and your lack of familiarity with Catholic doctrine exacerbated by a certain philosophical obtuseness.

!NOPE!
IT'S A FUNCTION OF
BASIC WORD MEANINGS
IN THE LANGUAGE
AND
IN THE
NON-VATICAN-ALICE-IN-WONDERLAND-SCHOOL-OF-THEOLOGH-AND-REALITY-MANGLING
CULTURE OF THE REAL WORLD

WHERE
THERE'S
NO
VATICAN DAFFYNITIONARY,
WHERE THERE'S
A GREAT LACK OF
INGROWN, MYOPIC, WILLFUL BLINDNESS, IN-BRED, TUNNEL-VISIONED, MENTALLY WALLED-OFF, INSTITUTIONAL CLUELESSNESS, GROUP THINK, RIGID IN-GROUP HOSTILITY TO TRUTH,
. . .
CONSUMED SHEEPLE.


WHERE SANE, FAIR-MINDED INDIVIDUALS REALLY CAN READ SCRIPTURE AND HEAR HOLY SPIRIT LEADING THEM INTO THE TRUTHS OF SCRIPTURE WITHOUT SUFFERING VULCAN MIND MELDED IDIOCIES, BLASPHEMIES, IDOLATRIES, HERESIES FROM THE BUREAUCRATIC POLITICAL POWER MONGERING PSEUDO-THEOLOGICAL ELITES OF THE VATICAN MAGICSTERICALS.

1,473 posted on 12/21/2010 12:46:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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