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To: Dr. Eckleburg; narses
Did Mary have anything to do with Jesus “being of one substance with the Father”?

“AMEN! Great and Godly question that, God willing, will lead them from the darkness into the light.”

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...and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made Man.

You forgot this part of the Creed. Although the Holy Spirit effected the Incarnation, it was from Mary that Jesus took his body. He also has a human soul. However, He is one Divine Person with two natures, Divine and human, not two persons.

Mary is not merely the mother of his human nature, she is the mother of Him. From the moment of the Incarnation, Mary became His mother in the true sense of the word. Since Jesus is God (remember, He is one Person, not two!), and Mary is His mother, than she is the Mother of God.

Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man. He did not cease to be God when He became Man. That's the crucial point here. One person, remember! To believe otherwise is to fall for the heresy of Nestorianism, which was condemned early on. No mainline Christian church believes in this heresy anymore. No mainline church has believed in this heresy for the past 1500 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://carm.org/nestorianism

http://www.lycos.com/info/nestorianism.html

1,332 posted on 12/20/2010 9:49:51 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Deo volente; BenKenobi

Now this bears some examination. You say:

” Mary is His mother, than she is the Mother of God”, But

“Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man”

Then the “Son from eternity” is NOT the “Son of God made Man”?

When did he cease being so? Cease being “Son from eternity”?


1,347 posted on 12/20/2010 10:33:52 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Deo volente; blue-duncan; metmom
Mary is not merely the mother of his human nature

Yes, Mary is merely the mother of his human nature. There is nothing in Scripture that tells us Mary contributed more than that.

Once again, RCs intrude upon God's domain and insert a fallible, fallen woman into the place belonging to God alone.

Creepy.

1,362 posted on 12/20/2010 11:42:28 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Deo volente; OpusatFR; Dr. Eckleburg; HossB86; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; metmom; ...

“Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man.”

When Jesus was born did he retain an element of his personality - equality with God - within himself? (Phil. 2:6-8)


1,426 posted on 12/21/2010 7:27:51 AM PST by blue-duncan
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