"I "grad-ge-ated" the sixth grade, ma'am. Only took three years.
Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
“Now I know where all those unconnected and confused cherry-picked verses of scripture come from.”
A friend who memorized specific verses from Scripture told me about a mnemonic trick used for rote memorization.
She had no understanding of Scripture itself and certainly not in the context of books within it relating to other books.
Memorizing the Koran must be similar. Children of any culture learn to repeat the Arabic phrases without understanding what they are saying.
INDEED.
AMEN!
INCREDIBLE.
While Christ has a human nature and a divine nature, they are inseperable. You cannot take away the human nature from the divine nature.
So when Christ was on the Cross, he really and truly died. But death, like it is for us, is not the end of existence, he descended into hell, broke open the gates of hell and returned to heaven where he is seated at the right hand of the father.
“Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man.”
When Jesus was born did he retain an element of his personality - equality with God - within himself? (Phil. 2:6-8)
That you can find pro Roman excerpts is not surprising, but you fail to quote from later works where he has certainly CHANGED his views.
"The scholastic doctors argue about whether Christ was born from sinful or clean flesh, or whether from the foundation of the world God preserved a pure bit of flesh from which Christ was to be born. I reply, therefore, that Christ was truly born from true and natural flesh and human blood which was corrupted by original sin in Adam, but in such a way that it could be healed. Thus we, who are encompassed by sinful flesh, believe and hope that on the day of our redemption the flesh will be purged of and separated from all infirmities, from death, and from disgrace; for sin and death are separable evils.
Accordingly, when it came to the Virgin and that drop of virginal blood, what the angel said was fulfilled: “The Holy Spirit will come upon you and overshadow you” (Luke 1:35). To be sure, the Messiah was not born by the power of flesh and blood, as is stated in John ( cf. 1:13): “Not of blood nor of the will of a man, etc.” Nevertheless, He wanted to be born from the mass of the flesh and from that corrupted blood. But in the moment of the Virgin’s conception the Holy Spirit purged and sanctified the sinful mass and wiped out the poison of the devil and death, which is sin. Although death remained in that flesh on our account, the leaven of sin was nevertheless purged out, and it became the purest flesh, purified by the Holy Spirit and united with the divine nature in one Person. Therefore it is truly human nature no different from what it is in us. And Christ is the Son of Adam and of his seed and flesh, but, as has been stated, with the Holy Spirit overshadowing it, active in it, and purging it, in order that it might be fit for this most innocent conception and the pure and holy birth by which we were to be purged and freed from sin. [LW 7:12]"
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/12/luther-on-immaculate-conception.html
“(and I assume it follows disunited at the death of the human nature)”
Recall doubting Thomas and the nail marks on Christ’s palm. The two natures are still there with him, human and divine for all eternity.
“I reply, therefore, that Christ was truly born from true and natural flesh and human blood which was corrupted by original sin in Adam, but in such a way that it could be healed.”
Well of course it can be healed, such is what occurs after our death and resurrection.
The problem is that this denies that Christ was sinless. Thanks for posting this. I wondered how Luther got around the problem, and I see that rather than deny that Mary was the Theotokos, he has her passing on her sinfulness to Christ.
Again, it all fits together. If Christ were truly sinless, than so is Mary. If Christ were truly God and Man together, than Mary is the mother of God.
Yes, he was fully God.
‘Son here is your Mother’. ‘Mother here is your Son.’
Christ himself talking to His Mother! If Christ is truly God and Mary is his mother than Mary is the Mother of God.
And no, this doesn’t mean that Mary was God, Christ existed before Mary, and he chose Mary to be his mother.
Posted again
"He wanted to be born from the mass of the flesh and from that corrupted blood.
Although death remained in that flesh on our account, the leaven of sin was nevertheless purged out, and it became the purest flesh, purified by the Holy Spirit and united with the divine nature in one Person.
Therefore it is truly human nature no different from what it is in us. And Christ is the Son of Adam and of his seed and flesh, but, as has been stated, with the Holy Spirit overshadowing it, active in it, and purging it, in order that it might be fit for this most innocent conception and the pure and holy birth by which we were to be purged and freed from sin.
Looks as though you don't believe Christ Jesus is the Son of God.
Looks as though you don't believe Christ Jesus is the Son of God.
I certainly do. That particular quote your reacting to was of Luther, who also believed Jesus to be the Son of God.
We are told that he was more fully Man than we. That’s a reference to Adam, prior to the fall before our flesh was corrupt.
Arguing that he was subject to Adam, would make the claim that he was more Fully Man than we to be wrong.
Then by definition, Christ, God, went to one (which one?) of the four hells? God went to hell? God died? Was killed? Then would not death be an example of mutability? Of change?
And if “While Christ has a human nature and a divine nature, they are inseperable. You cannot take away the human nature from the divine nature.”, that human nature with the divine, would have “returned to heaven where he is seated at the right hand of the father”.
That flesh and blood human nature is in heaven?
But again how can God gain (or now have a human nature in addition to the divine nature) and retain it if He is immutable?
“God went to hell?”
Yes, he certainly did.
“Then would not death be an example of mutability? Of change?”
So is the incarnation.
“That flesh and blood human nature is in heaven?”
Indeed. For the resurrection is of the body, cleansed and purified and incorrrupt.
“But again how can God gain (or now have a human nature in addition to the divine nature) and retain it if He is immutable?”
By choosing to become man. The incarnation isn’t a temporary cloak to be tossed off after death. It was permanent.
Scripture to back that up please? Something where God says Mary was his mother??
Yes, Jesus is at the same time God (The Son) and human; fully each. But God has no mother; that would infer he is not eternal. Mary certainly is the mother of Jesus, God the Son, who existed before the foundation of the world.
Still no apology to roamer_1?
Hoss
End of John after the crucifixion.
“But God has no mother; that would infer he is not eternal.”
What’s really going to bust your nut is that Christ chose his mother.
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