Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
On the contrary, in a clause the subject is never what follows the preposition.
The term *mother of God* is about Mary, the mother, not recognizing the divinity of Christ, since Mary is the subject.
I think you are right about this. What is probably not discussed is that the divinity of Jesus was not based on Mary's status. What I mean is that, other than being a virgin and from the lineage of King David, Mary had nothing to do with the fact that Jesus was Almighty God. He always was and always will be God and he took on flesh - incarnate - by the same way every other person does, with the exception of his having a human biological father.
Exodus 20:1-6 1 And God spoke all these words, saying,
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Jesus is the mediator, the great high priest. Not Mary.
He died for our sins. Not Mary.
We go to God through Jesus. Not to Jesus through Mary.
What utter blasphemy.
pwnd.....
I love it.
Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
comes to mind...
Hypocrisy, thy name is Catholicism.
If it is not very common then translate it.
“What utter blasphemy.”
Argue with Luther.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
You need to remind your Catholic cohorts who have flagrantly violated the same directive which you are demanding compliance from a non-Catholic for.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"414 Satan or the devil and the other demons are fallen angels who have freely refused to serve God and his plan. Their choice against God is definitive. They try to associate man in their revolt against God."
There is ample proof in the world and the deeds of man that Satan and his demons are frequently successful. Freepers and the Religion Forum are no exception. I am sorry that you find that more offensive than filthy slurs against the Church.
“AMEN! Great and Godly question that, God willing, will lead them from the darkness into the light.”
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...and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made Man.
You forgot this part of the Creed. Although the Holy Spirit effected the Incarnation, it was from Mary that Jesus took his body. He also has a human soul. However, He is one Divine Person with two natures, Divine and human, not two persons.
Mary is not merely the mother of his human nature, she is the mother of Him. From the moment of the Incarnation, Mary became His mother in the true sense of the word. Since Jesus is God (remember, He is one Person, not two!), and Mary is His mother, than she is the Mother of God.
Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man. He did not cease to be God when He became Man. That's the crucial point here. One person, remember! To believe otherwise is to fall for the heresy of Nestorianism, which was condemned early on. No mainline Christian church believes in this heresy anymore. No mainline church has believed in this heresy for the past 1500 years.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2347476/posts
obnoxious is as obnoxious is...too bad, no one can justify crude behavior. Explain your points, inane as they are, in the common language. They will be no more nor no less pertinant than they are now.
So the translations of posts 1255 and 1257 are....?
Actually it was Presently No Screen Name in post #1038.
No, pnsn did not start it. He did not post the exorcism prayer which started all this. In that post he referenced the exorcism prayer you posted which initiated the RM’s insistence that any foreign phrases be translated.
So, where are the translations of posts 1255 and 1257 as per the RM’s instructions?
I translated it for you in #1290.
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