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Because of the Protestant Reformers Beliefs On Mary
Why I Am a Catholic ^ | 12/16/10 | Frank Weathers

Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: Deo volente; HossB86; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
"Mother of God” is a truth that flows naturally and logically from an understanding of Who Jesus is. When we apply the term to Mary, it's actually all about Christ. It points us unmistakably towards His Divinity, and slams the door shut on the several heresies about Him that were raging at the time.

On the contrary, in a clause the subject is never what follows the preposition.

The term *mother of God* is about Mary, the mother, not recognizing the divinity of Christ, since Mary is the subject.

1,321 posted on 12/20/2010 9:29:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
The term *Mother of God* is at the very least deceitful. Mother of Jesus is accurate and correct and gives no false impressions about who she is and what her role in God’s plan of redemption is. But that clearly is the problem. Catholics have, over the centuries, elevated her and given her characteristics and accolades that properly belong to only God Himself. It gives the clear impression that the whole end of this Mary stuff is to elevate her to godhood. What better way to do that than claim that she’s God’s mother. That elevates Mary to God’s place and diminishes God to the role of a lesser being than Mary.

I think you are right about this. What is probably not discussed is that the divinity of Jesus was not based on Mary's status. What I mean is that, other than being a virgin and from the lineage of King David, Mary had nothing to do with the fact that Jesus was Almighty God. He always was and always will be God and he took on flesh - incarnate - by the same way every other person does, with the exception of his having a human biological father.

1,322 posted on 12/20/2010 9:31:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: narses; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Thus the Virgin Mary remains in the middle between Christ and humankind.

Exodus 20:1-6 1 And God spoke all these words, saying,

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus is the mediator, the great high priest. Not Mary.

He died for our sins. Not Mary.

We go to God through Jesus. Not to Jesus through Mary.

What utter blasphemy.

1,323 posted on 12/20/2010 9:37:08 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Considering it was your exorcism post that started it all, it's pretty ironic that you would accuse someone of trying to stir up trouble.



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1,324 posted on 12/20/2010 9:37:45 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: presently no screen name; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

pwnd.....

I love it.


1,325 posted on 12/20/2010 9:40:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix; Dr. Eckleburg

Matthew 6:7

And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

comes to mind...


1,326 posted on 12/20/2010 9:41:15 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Hypocrisy, thy name is Catholicism.


1,327 posted on 12/20/2010 9:42:30 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: narses; Natural Law; metmom

If it is not very common then translate it.


1,328 posted on 12/20/2010 9:43:10 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: metmom

“What utter blasphemy.”

Argue with Luther.

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


1,329 posted on 12/20/2010 9:45:05 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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Knowing how much you have posted about following the posting rules on here, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that one.

You need to remind your Catholic cohorts who have flagrantly violated the same directive which you are demanding compliance from a non-Catholic for.

1,330 posted on 12/20/2010 9:45:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Religion Moderator
"It is not in the same league as suggesting other Freepers need an exorcism."

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

"414 Satan or the devil and the other demons are fallen angels who have freely refused to serve God and his plan. Their choice against God is definitive. They try to associate man in their revolt against God."

There is ample proof in the world and the deeds of man that Satan and his demons are frequently successful. Freepers and the Religion Forum are no exception. I am sorry that you find that more offensive than filthy slurs against the Church.

1,331 posted on 12/20/2010 9:46:26 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; narses
Did Mary have anything to do with Jesus “being of one substance with the Father”?

“AMEN! Great and Godly question that, God willing, will lead them from the darkness into the light.”

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...and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made Man.

You forgot this part of the Creed. Although the Holy Spirit effected the Incarnation, it was from Mary that Jesus took his body. He also has a human soul. However, He is one Divine Person with two natures, Divine and human, not two persons.

Mary is not merely the mother of his human nature, she is the mother of Him. From the moment of the Incarnation, Mary became His mother in the true sense of the word. Since Jesus is God (remember, He is one Person, not two!), and Mary is His mother, than she is the Mother of God.

Not of the Trinity, of course, or even of the Son from eternity (that would be absurd) but of the Son of God made Man. He did not cease to be God when He became Man. That's the crucial point here. One person, remember! To believe otherwise is to fall for the heresy of Nestorianism, which was condemned early on. No mainline Christian church believes in this heresy anymore. No mainline church has believed in this heresy for the past 1500 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

http://carm.org/nestorianism

http://www.lycos.com/info/nestorianism.html

1,332 posted on 12/20/2010 9:49:51 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Quix

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2347476/posts

obnoxious is as obnoxious is...too bad, no one can justify crude behavior. Explain your points, inane as they are, in the common language. They will be no more nor no less pertinant than they are now.


1,333 posted on 12/20/2010 9:51:43 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: narses; Natural Law

So the translations of posts 1255 and 1257 are....?


1,334 posted on 12/20/2010 9:54:57 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law
I am sorry that you find that more offensive than filthy slurs against the Church.

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1,335 posted on 12/20/2010 9:55:09 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: terycarl
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1,336 posted on 12/20/2010 9:57:05 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom; presently no screen name
"Considering it was your exorcism post that started it all, it's pretty ironic that you would accuse someone of trying to stir up trouble."

Actually it was Presently No Screen Name in post #1038.

1,337 posted on 12/20/2010 10:00:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: metmom
Claiming she is the mother of God gives the false impression that His nature came from her. Jesus divine nature comes from the Father, not Mary.

I don't know any Catholics, either priests or laymen, that have that false impression. That impressions seems to me to be limited to fundamentalist protestants and misinformed anti-Catholics posting on websites and preaching in some churches.

No Catholic here, to my knowledge, has claimed Jesus' Divine nature came from Mary. However, He is one Person, and Mary is not merely the mother of His human nature, she is the mother of HIM. Not from all eternity, of course, but at the moment of the Incarnation, she BECAME His mother. His two natures are totally united in one Person. He is God, has always been God, and will always be God, and from the moment of the Incarnation, Mary became His Mother, and will always be His Mother.
1,338 posted on 12/20/2010 10:06:15 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Natural Law; presently no screen name; narses

No, pnsn did not start it. He did not post the exorcism prayer which started all this. In that post he referenced the exorcism prayer you posted which initiated the RM’s insistence that any foreign phrases be translated.

So, where are the translations of posts 1255 and 1257 as per the RM’s instructions?


1,339 posted on 12/20/2010 10:06:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
"So the translations of posts 1255 and 1257 are....?"

I translated it for you in #1290.

1,340 posted on 12/20/2010 10:08:15 PM PST by Natural Law
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