Posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:07 AM PST by marshmallow
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There’s no verse that documents a sin that Mary committed, unlike the Apostles, particularly Paul who goes out of his way to make us all understand the depth of his sins. All that we have to go on, is what the Angel says to Mary, that “all generations will call you blessed”, something that is not said of anyone else in Scripture. This to me is significant. Scripture doesn’t pull any punches at demonstrating the fallenness of the disciples, and yet it goes out of it’s way to highlight the blessedness of Mary.
Luke 2:48 His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You treated us this way? Behold, Your father and I have been anxiously looking for You."
False accusation? is that bad? Lack of Faith?
Mark 3:20 Then he went home, and the crowd gathered again, so that they could not even eat. 21 And when his FAMILY heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." Mark 3:31 Then Jesus MOTHER and brothers ARRIVED, standing outside they sent someone in to call him.
Would thinking Jesus was insane and wanting to throw a net overy be a sin by Mary?
And the purpose of you sending me a post in Polish would be - just because you can? ala clinton (PC press #2 for Polish)
Catholicism aligns itself with liberalism is so many ways.
You obviously weren't the beneficiary of a Catholic education. You don't seem to comprehend the meanings of liberal and conservative.
Conservative is an adjective meaning disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. By definition it is the very antithesis of "reformed" and synonymous with liberal.
You obviously weren't the beneficiary of a Catholic education. You don't seem to comprehend the meanings of liberal and conservative.
Conservative is an adjective meaning disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. By definition it is the very antithesis of "reformed" which by the way is synonymous with liberal.
Interesting. A mother’s concern for her child is sinful? I didn’t think that someone would try to step up and argue this with Mary.
Secondly, it says his family believed that he was out of his mind. Doesn’t say Mary. Paul readily admits where he had fallen short. Same with Peter.
“Roman Catholic authorities admit this fact.”
Seeing as you’ve accused us of being slaves to the Pope, I should think you’d be looking for Papal evidence.
Ott’s no more of an authority than Duffy. He’s got an opinion. Fact of the matter is that the Pope and his authority argues that the evidence originated at Chalcedon when brought forth by then bishop Juvenal.
“Why not, is the Bishop of Jerusalem also infallible?”
Simply the fact that he was 300 years removed, not 2000 years removed. Big difference.
“Sorry, the facts are that there is 300 + years of silence, then a myth first appears from apochryphal writings.”
Knowing something about the history of Jerusalem, it makes sense. There wasn’t a bishop in Jerusalem per se, until Juvenal. The city was destroyed twice, once in 70 AD, and then again after Bar Kochba. That her tomb and the significance of her tomb would be lost to the church in the interim isn’t surprising.
Especially given the fact that even the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem had also been lost over that period, rediscovered and re-excavated shortly after Constantine’s Edict of Milan.
“Same with Mary’s supposed sinlessness, Peter as the first pope”
Which is why I’ve argued that Matthew affirms Christ gave Peter the following:
1, authority over the other Apostles,
2, the power to bind and loose.
To be fair you would argue that your intepretation of scripture varies, not that we have not cited biblical evidence in favour.
As for Mary’s sinlessness, ‘all generations hereafter will call you blessed.’ That’s a pretty outstanding claim not else repeated in scripture.
>>And the purpose of you sending me a post in Polish would be - just because you can? ala clinton (PC press #2 for Polish)<<
I know you understand that although a post has your name on the top of it, it is open for all FReepers to read. It is not just for you, but rather for the context of the discussion. Other readers are here too and reading along. They have the same opportuntiy to post. If it were a private discussion, it would be in FReepmail.
Therefore, if I write in Polish as well as English, it may have a fuller meaning to those who read both sets of words.
Perhaps you do not speak a second language. The nuance of that language, although the meaning may be close, the nuance can make it different, even clearer.
If you are saying that I align with liberalism because I think that it’s childish to demand that someone not write in another language, have at it. I personally don’t care what you believe. I was trying to kindly help you out with the rules of the Religion Forum. There is no need to insult me for it, but if it makes you feel better in this joyous season, then Merry Christmas!
Interesting. A mother’s concern for her child is sinful? I didn’t think that someone would try to step up and argue this with Mary.
While I am sure she was out of her mind with worry (itself a sin?, lack of trust), the plain text itself is certainly accusative. You are also looking at the text and importing a theology unknown for 600 years after the events.
Secondly, it says his family believed that he was out of his mind. Doesn’t say Mary.
It says the FAMILY went to get him .....and when His MOTHER and BROTHERS arrived, etc.... Mothers are usually included as family members in all conotations that I am aware of.
You must think it quite a large mistake by the Holy Spirit in not clarifying this implication.
It would make ME feel better in this joyous season to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Last night, went with some conservative Methodist relatives to a Christmas concert at their beautiful church. Large pipe organ, bell choir, brass group, percussion group, 170 voice church choir, and the ENTIRE CONGREGATION singing and playing “JOY TO THE WORLD” five verses at the end!
Everyone was crying and laughing. So beautiful! And then, cookies. ;-D
And to you!
The concert sounds wonderful!!!
I’m still planning for our Nativity Play. We have 15 Shepherds this year but five of them are girls! We’ve only had my own girls as “Shepherd Wives” before this. Because we have a new director, we are tweaking our props. Lots of Webkins sheep and my older daughter is carrying a pot with a chicken in it.
We have an Archangel Michael, with a sword and the whole lot. The Archangel Mom and I were talking about adding two more boys, Raphael and Gabriel. Now it’s getting the okay and buying props.
We laughed how Gabriel could hold a fax machine and Raphael an AK-47 but I think the staff, scroll and trumpet are more realistic.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2644059/posts?page=129#129
Wow. So sorry. I guess I over-estimated RC apologists' knowledge of a fairly-common phrase...
"Post tenebras lux"
"After darkness, light."
Now you know.
I agree that the minds of some posters will never be swayed by Scripture, reason or logic.
But I know of several FReepers who have come into the light of the truth via these threads. Such is the power of God's word.
As God wills.
Knowing how much you have posted about following the posting rules on here, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that one.
Don't attempt to read my mind, Dr. - it's against the rules.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2644059/posts?page=1061#1061
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