To: Judith Anne; presently no screen name
ja Oh, right, there are some people, (according to some Calvinists) who are not elect. They are predestined to hell from all eternity. Is that so? Or am I mistaken?
Yes -- only if you are from the right caste (according to the followers of Cal), can you go to heaven. Of course, since you're just a robot with no choice to choose to accept God or not, it just means that before time the Calvingod programmed some robots to do good, and some to do evil. The ones programmed to do good when they die go to heaven, the ones programmed to do bad get told by Calvingod "ha ha! i programmed you to do bad, now you're going to be tormented forever. ha ha ha!"
Perhaps presently is not a Calvinist which could explain why he may believes that God loves all men (and women!)
684 posted on
12/18/2010 12:44:26 AM PST by
Cronos
(Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie))
To: Cronos
As the prophet says, God is the potter, we are the clay, and who are we to have a say in what the potter keeps or smashes? Whatever God does to us in the present or in the future is no excuse for not loving Him and worshipping Him regardless.
686 posted on
12/18/2010 12:48:04 AM PST by
1000 silverlings
(everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
To: Cronos
What I believe? What does God's Word say? God so loved the world.....
And is God All Knowing? Yes.
Did He tell us many will not find THE WAY? Yes.
Did He know that before we were born? Yes.
Did He know that many will be lead astray w/deception. Yes.
You think He knew satan's tactics - deception, manipulation, control and how the 'religious' would fall for his tactics? Yes.
How many actually take His Word seriously in regard to evil being present? God KNOWS ALL from the beginning of time.
And God loved us all by showing it all in His Word. His love hasn't stopped many from willfully being led astray.
And what you or anyone does will not change what God already knows about all of us for He knows it ALL - the end from the beginning.
You think he doesn't know how you are pointing fingers at others trying to cause division? You think HIS own are oblivious to it? Jesus knew what was in the people in one town and He turned from it. He KNEW they wouldn't receive HIM. Jesus, Who is The Word - they didn't receive. They had their own 'man made' way. Did Jesus try to convince them, control them, manipulate them - NO! He turned from them because HE knew they wouldn't receive HIM.
So your manipulation of Scripture, finger pointing at those who believe in God's Word alone, isn't going to change one thing for there is nothing new under the sun - deception exists. And HIS OWN are very aware and turn from it and NO ONE can snatch us away from HIS HAND. You can't change what He already knows.
And the RCC heresy teachings about Mary and all the whiny Catholics saying but...she the mother, blah blah is useless. For God told us who HE CONSIDERS His mother and brothers are - those who HEAR and OBEY - but the 'worldly' mindset says that can't be so - for the angel said this and after all, she is the mother. WORLDLY THINKING has NO PLACE IN HIS KINGDOM. And HE told us OBEDIENCE (to HIS WORD) is better than sacrifice! So much for OBEDIENCE from the RCC and their members. And they think their filthy rags will take the place of obedience. Pope JP and his 'he belongs to Mary' and his garments, his casket, his prayer displaying his worship of Mary and calling others to do the same is pure disobedience. He's not the only pope who has disobeyed the very Words of Jesus, yet Catholics call them infallible. You think disobedience is allowed in HIS KINGDOM when HE says, hear and obey. You think the RCC is any part of His church when they disobey HIM, HIS WORD? HEAR and OBEY is for ALL! He told us, specifically, in HIS WORD who HE considers His mother to be in HIS KINGDOM - it's not like this world but evil/deception, the master of lies, says otherwise and his pawns fall into place w/his deception.
Let go of the pride in thinking the RCC knows more than God about HIS KINGDOM! He told us in His Word because He loves us and doesn't want anyone to perish, but perish they will for they didn't/don't want HIS KINGDOM, HIS WORD - and it was known from the beginning for It is Written,.
And as It is Written His Word is Spiritually discerned. More disobedience from the Catholics as they attempt to understand IT by their 'own understanding'.
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