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To: diamond6; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Yes there are many misinformed catholics but what matters is what the church teaches. If a catholic is in error, that does not represent what the church teaches.

If there are misinformed Catholics, it's the church's responsibility. It hasn't done an adequate job of catechizing its adherents.

Not to mention that what the local Catholic church teaches is not what FRoman Catholics claim the RCC *really* teaches.

What the Catholic church really teaches doesn't always line up with what FRoman Catholics say its official doctrine is.

68 posted on 12/15/2010 9:21:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

THAT’S SHORE TRUE LAYERS DEEP!

Thx.


69 posted on 12/15/2010 9:28:13 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

**What the Catholic church really teaches doesn’t always line up with what FRoman Catholics say its official doctrine is.**

metmom,
What is the basis for this experience. Have you experienced this personally? Where? When? How? Why? Exactly what did you experience?


71 posted on 12/15/2010 9:29:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

It never lines up. No matter which way you try to make it match up, it just doesn’t. And yet it is rabidly defended. Like there is a source to go to to refresh oneself with the facts and come back stronger. There is no fact checker, no complete reference, nothing written in permanent ink. It’s been here for 2000 years, gave us all the information we would ever need to know about the Bible, holds the keys to the kingdom, has the power to retain or remit sins, can turn wafers and wine into flesh and blood. Yet no one knows exactly what the RCC believes for sure. No one knows exactly what they’ve sold their soul for.


72 posted on 12/15/2010 9:33:55 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: metmom; Salvation; Mad Dawg; narses; Judith Anne

Unfortunately, the church is full of sinners and some poorly cathecized priests. Many priests come from liberal seminaries and its a dying shame. For example, some priests teach that artificial contraception is okay. That is against the teachings of the church. I will agree with you. The church has done a poor job in catechizing. That is why laymen are standing up in record numbers taking the slack.
Like I said before, catholic radio stations are popping up everywhere, for the main purpose of teaching what the church REALLY teaches. Its very refreshing... I listen to my local catholic radio all day and learn something new about my faith everyday.


95 posted on 12/15/2010 10:24:21 PM PST by diamond6 (Pray the Rosary to defeat communism and Obamacare!!)
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!INDEED!
ABSOLUTELY TO THE MAX!
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To: diamond6; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Yes there are many misinformed catholics but what matters is what the church teaches. If a catholic is in error, that does not represent what the church teaches.

If there are misinformed Catholics, it's the church's responsibility. It hasn't done an adequate job of catechizing its adherents.

Not to mention that what the local Catholic church teaches is not what FRoman Catholics claim the RCC *really* teaches.

What the Catholic church really teaches doesn't always line up with what FRoman Catholics say its official doctrine is.

68 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:21:06 PM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

**What the Catholic church really teaches doesn’t always line up with what FRoman Catholics say its official doctrine is.**

metmom,
What is the basis for this experience. Have you experienced this personally? Where? When? How? Why? Exactly what did you experience?

71 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:29:38 PM by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)

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To: metmom

It never lines up. No matter which way you try to make it match up, it just doesn’t. And yet it is rabidly defended. Like there is a source to go to to refresh oneself with the facts and come back stronger. There is no fact checker, no complete reference, nothing written in permanent ink. It’s been here for 2000 years, gave us all the information we would ever need to know about the Bible, holds the keys to the kingdom, has the power to retain or remit sins, can turn wafers and wine into flesh and blood. Yet no one knows exactly what the RCC believes for sure. No one knows exactly what they’ve sold their soul for.

72 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:33:55 PM by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)

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To: Salvation; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

What is the basis for this experience. Have you experienced this personally? Where? When? How? Why? Exactly what did you experience?

My experience, and the experience as stated by other former Catholics on this forum.

I know what the Catholics I grew up with and lived with and worked with believed. I've related it several times over the last several months and all I keep hearing is the knee jerk response of "That's not what the Catholic church *really* teaches", by which the person means is not technically correct Vatican approved doctrine. But it is, in reality, what the Catholic church does indeed teach else there wouldn't be so many Catholics with the exact same (alleged) errors about church doctrine.

If the errors were a matter of faulty individual interpretation, then they would be different errors, not all the same kind.

74 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:38:50 PM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

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To: Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

We beg you to accept our devotion to you and to your Son.

Not just Jesus, but Mary also?

Why? Why should someone devote themselves to a dead person living in heaven who has no power to answer prayers? What's she capable of doing for them or you?

In service and love of that Truth, we commit our lives, our hearts, our minds, ourselves to you, oh calm, gentle, and sweet, oh Blessed mother.

Sounds like worship and idolatry to me-putting Mary on the same level as Jesus and committing your life to her.

God did say something about idols. And idols are not always most out of wood or stone.

77 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 10:50:49 PM by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)

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183 posted on 12/16/2010 4:42:01 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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